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Looking for decendants wycombe area.

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kathryn

kathryn Report 1 Jan 2014 20:57

I have hit a bit of a wall, trying to discover descentants of my great grandmother Eliza Mole (married Birch), she had a sister, Mary Jane Mole, born Ludgershall, Bucks around 1867 ish. Parents were Moses and Lucy (nee Rouse) Mole.
In the 1911 cencus, Mary Jane was married, and living at the Marsh, High Wycombe. My grandmother remembers visiting there in 1910, and she had five or siz cousins. I know Mary Jane was married, but her husband's name is not known, although possibley first name was Jude. :-)

patchem

patchem Report 1 Jan 2014 21:01

Welcome to the boards, Kathryn.

Have you looked for a marriage for Mary Jane on free bmd?

Do you mean you have found her on the 1911 census - under what surname?

Thanks

patchem

patchem Report 1 Jan 2014 21:06

This birth??
Births Jun 1863
MOLE Mary Jane Aylesbury 3a 427

Added:

1871 England Census
Mary I Mole Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Moses Mole
Mother's Name: Lucy Mole
Gender: Female Where born: Lugishul, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Chipping Wycombe
Ecclesiastical parish: High Wycombe All Hallows
County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England
Registration District: Wycombe Sub-registration District: High Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household Schedule Number: 202 Piece: 1404
Folio: 25 Page Number: 41
Moses Mole 33
Lucy Mole 33
Harriet Mole 9
Mary I Mole 8
Eliza Mole 6
Joseph Mole 1
George Mole 12
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1404; Folio: 25; Page: 41; GSU roll: 828509.

alviegal

alviegal Report 1 Jan 2014 21:06

1861 census transcription details for: Ludgershall
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 864
Folio: 109
Page: 19
Reg. District: Aylesbury
Sub District: 1 Haddenham
Parish: Ludgershall
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: Ludgershall
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Ludgershall
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MOLE, Moses Head Married M 24 1837 Agricultural Labourer
Ludgershall, Buckinghamshire
MOLE, Lucy Wife Married F 23 1838
Hethe, Oxfordshire
MOLE, George Son M 2 1859
Ludgershall, Buckinghamshire



1871 census transcription details for: Gomm's Farm, Chipping Wycombe
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1404
Folio: 25
Page: 41
Reg. District: Wycombe
Sub District: Wycombe, High
Parish: Chipping Wycombe
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Gomm's Farm, Chipping Wycombe
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MOLE, Moses Head M 33 1838 Buckinghamshire
MOLE, Lucy Wife F 33 1838 Oxfordshire
MOLE, Harriet Daughter F 9 1862 Buckinghamshire
>>MOLE, Mary J Daughter F 8 1863 Buckinghamshire
MOLE, Eliza Daughter F 6 1865 Buckinghamshire
MOLE, Joseph Son M 1 1870 Buckinghamshire
MOLE, George Son M 12 1859 Buckinghamshire

???

1881 census transcription details for: Skittles Green, Haddenham
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1471
Folio: 12
Page: 17
Reg. District: Aylesbury
Sub District: Haddenham
Parish: Haddenham
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Skittles Green, Haddenham
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MOLE, Moses Head Married M 44 1837 Ag Lab
Ludgershall, Buckinghamshire
MOLE, Mary Wife Married F 46 1835
Langley, Buckinghamshire
PLATER, Jane Daughter Single F 19 1862 Dom Serv Unemployed
Haddenham, Buckinghamshire


??

1891 census transcription details for: Dolicot, Haddenham
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1144
Folio: 26
Page: 13
Reg. District: Aylesbury
Sub District: Haddenham
Parish: Haddenham
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Dolicot, Haddenham
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MOLE, Moses Head Married M 54 1837 Thatcher
Ludgershall, Buckinghamshire
MOLE, Mary Wife Married F 56 1835
Haddenham, Buckinghamshire
OAT, Louisa Grandchild F 8 1883 Scholar
Haddenham, Buckinghamshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 1 Jan 2014 21:11

???


1901 census transcription details for: Towns End, Haddenham
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1354
Folio: 30
Page: 21
Reg. District: Aylesbury
Sub District: Haddenham
Parish: Haddenham
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys Haddenham
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Towns End, Haddenham
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
PLATER, James Head Married M 51 1850 Coach Builder
Haddenham, Buckinghamshire
PLATER, Mary J Wife Married F 37 1864
Bishopston, Buckinghamshire
PLATER, Louisa Daughter Single F 15 1886
Haddenham, Buckinghamshire
PLATER, Walter Son Single M 13 1888
Haddenham, Buckinghamshire
PLATER, Leonard Son M 11 1890
Haddenham, Buckinghamshire
PLATER, William Son M 6 1895
Haddenham, Buckinghamshire
PLATER, Raymond Son M 4 1897
Haddenham, Buckinghamshire

1911 census transcription details for: Towns End Haddenham Buckinghamshire
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN7917 RG78PN397 RD146 SD1 ED2 SN112
Reg. District: Aylesbury
Sub District: Haddenham
Parish: Haddenham
Enum. District: 2
Address: Towns End Haddenham Buckinghamshire
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
PLASTER, James Head Married M 61 1850 Coachbuilder Haddenham Bucks
PLASTER, Mary J Wife Married
12 years F 47 1864 Bishopstone Bucks
PLASTER, Louisa Daughter Single F 25 1886 Assistant Housekeeper Haddenham Bucks
PLASTER, William J Son Single M 16 1895 Assistant In Business Haddenham Bucks
PLASTER, Raymond L Son M 14 1897 Assistant In Business Haddenham Bucks
PLASTER, Ralph B Son M 7 1904 School Haddenham Bucks

Catherine

Catherine Report 1 Jan 2014 21:14

According to a tree on ancestry she married Eden Smith:-


Mary Jane Mole
Ward Family Tree
Birth: 1863 - Buckinghamshire, England
Parents: Moses Mole, Lucy Rouse
Spouse: Eden Smith

and had following children:-

Alice Smith

Benjamen Smith

Daisy Smith

Ralph Smith

Sid Smith

Albert Edward Smith


..........................................................


1901 England Census about Mary J Smith
Name: Mary J Smith
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Eden Smith
Birth Place: Lugerhall, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Chipping Wycombe
Town: Loudwater
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Eden Smith 39
Mary J Smith 38
Ernest W Smith 18
Arthur Smith 14
Harry Smith 14
Alice Smith 11
Ben Smith 8
Ellen Smith 6
Ted Smith 4
Ralph Smith 1

alviegal

alviegal Report 1 Jan 2014 21:16

??

Civil Registration event: Marriage
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Name: PLATER, James
Registration district: Aylesbury
County: Buckinghamshire
Year of registration: 1894
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 3A
Page no: 915

MarriageFinder: James Plater married one of the following people:

PLATER, Mary Jane

THORPE, Frederick

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Jan 2014 21:16

Have you tried looking for info?

A good place to start is...........

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Are you looking for descendants of Eliza, or of her sister?

Or do you mean their ancestors?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Jan 2014 21:21

Births Jun 1863 MOLE Mary Jane Aylesbury 3a 427

Any names of the children to help please?




Jacky

Jacky Report 1 Jan 2014 21:24

1911 England Census about Eden Smith
Name: Eden Smith
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Watlington
Civil Parish: High Wycombe
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Nuthall Cottages, Buch Road, Wycombe Marsh, High Wycombe, Bucks
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 29
Estimated Marriage Year: 1882
Occupation: Bricklayer
Registration District: Wycombe
Registration District Number: 145
Sub-registration District: Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household Schedule Number: 213
Piece: 7875
Household Members:
Name Age
Eden Smith 50
M J Smith 49
Alice Smith 21
Ben Smith 18
Nellie Smith 16
Robert Edward Smith 14
Sidney Smith 8
Daisy Smith 4



abt 1862
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Lugershall
Civil Parish: High Wycombe
County/Island: Buckinghamshire

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Jan 2014 21:28

Jane Plater on the 1881 census is unmarried and although listed as the daughter, it looks like she is actually the stepdaughter of Moses.

Marriages Sep 1880
Mole Moses Aylesbury 3a 795
Plater Mary Aylesbury 3a 795

So is she a different person to the Mary Jane born 1863 and on the 1871 census as the daughter of Moses and Lucy? I think so.


Deaths Sep 1878 (>99%)
MOLE Lucy 41 Wycombe 3a 321


Not as yet finding Mary Jane on later census.

alviegal

alviegal Report 1 Jan 2014 21:31

Does look to be correct.

I think you are correct about Mary Jane Plater rootgatherer. There is a person of that name born in 1863.


1901 census transcription details for: Wycombe Marsh, High Wycombe, Loudwater
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1348
Folio: 25
Page: 18
Reg. District: Wycombe
Sub District: Wycombe
Parish: High Wycombe
Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: High Wycombe All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Wycombe Marsh, High Wycombe, Loudwater
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, Eden Head Married M 39 1862 Bricklayer
Wattlington, Oxfordshire
SMITH, Mary J Wife Married F 38 1863
Lugerhall, Buckinghamshire
SMITH, Ernest W Son Single M 18 1883 Stoker Boiler
H Wycombe, Buckinghamshire
SMITH, Aurthur Son Single M 14 1887 French Polisher
H Wycombe, Buckinghamshire
SMITH, Harry Son Single M 14 1887 Odd Boy
H Wycombe, Buckinghamshire
SMITH, Alice Daughter Single F 11 1890
H Wycombe Marsh, Buckinghamshire
SMITH, Ben Son Single M 8 1893
H Wycombe Marsh, Buckinghamshire
SMITH, Ellen Daughter F 6 1895
H Wycombe Marsh, Buckinghamshire
SMITH, Ted Son Single M 4 1897
H Wycombe Marsh, Buckinghamshire
SMITH, Ralph Son Single M 1 1900
H Wycombe Marsh, Buckinghamshire


Name: MOLE, Moses
Registration district: Aylesbury
County: Buckinghamshire
Year of registration: 1880
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 3A
Page no: 795

Name: PLATER, Mary

Catherine

Catherine Report 1 Jan 2014 21:31

1891 England Census about Mary J Smith
Name: Mary J Smith
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Eden Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Ludgershall, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Chipping Wycombe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Marsh
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration District: Wycombe
Sub-registration District: High Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1139
Folio: 24
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Eden Smith 28
Mary J Smith 28
William E Smith 8
Arthur F Smith 6
Harry Smith 3
Alice S Smith 1
James Smith 77 - Father
Maria Smith 66 - Mother

Catherine

Catherine Report 1 Jan 2014 21:35

Somebody may have made a mistake somewhere ?????

Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
Ayres Sophia Wycombe 3a 888

MOBE Mary Anne Wycombe 3a 888
MOTE Mary Anne Wycombe 3a 888

Sears John Wycombe 3a 888

SMITH Eden Wycombe 3a 888

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Jan 2014 21:39

1911

Name: Eden Smith
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Watlington
Civil Parish: High Wycombe
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Nuthall Cottages, Buch Road, Wycombe Marsh, High Wycombe, Bucks
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 29
Estimated Marriage Year: 1882
Occupation: Bricklayer
Registration District: Wycombe
Registration District Number: 145
Sub-registration District: Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household Schedule Number: 213
Piece: 7875
Household Members:
Name Age
Eden Smith 50 Bricklayer
M J Smith 49
Alice Smith 21
Ben Smith 18
Nellie Smith 16
Robert Edward Smith 14
Sidney Smith 8
Daisy Smith 4

10 Children born, 8 living, 2 had died



EDIT

On the actual image on FreeBMD the name on the marriage is certainly Mary Anne Mobe

Catherine

Catherine Report 1 Jan 2014 22:07

Possible?

Deaths Mar 1942 (>99%)
Smith Mary J 78 Wycombe 3a 2371

kathryn

kathryn Report 2 Jan 2014 19:48

Thanks to everyone for your help. I had the names of some of Mary Jane Mole's children, not in any particular order, Ernest, Edward, Benjamin, Ralph, Nelly, Alice and Daisy. Thanks, Catherine, for finding Mary Jane Mole's Spouse, Eden Smith. I am quite new to this family history stuff, so it was gret to get so much help.

I had been stuck on this one for a couple of years, but no more. Thanks again all.