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kathryn
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1 Jan 2014 20:57 |
I have hit a bit of a wall, trying to discover descentants of my great grandmother Eliza Mole (married Birch), she had a sister, Mary Jane Mole, born Ludgershall, Bucks around 1867 ish. Parents were Moses and Lucy (nee Rouse) Mole. In the 1911 cencus, Mary Jane was married, and living at the Marsh, High Wycombe. My grandmother remembers visiting there in 1910, and she had five or siz cousins. I know Mary Jane was married, but her husband's name is not known, although possibley first name was Jude. :-)
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patchem
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1 Jan 2014 21:01 |
Welcome to the boards, Kathryn.
Have you looked for a marriage for Mary Jane on free bmd?
Do you mean you have found her on the 1911 census - under what surname?
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1 Jan 2014 21:06 |
This birth?? Births Jun 1863 MOLE Mary Jane Aylesbury 3a 427
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1871 England Census Mary I Mole Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Moses Mole Mother's Name: Lucy Mole Gender: Female Where born: Lugishul, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Chipping Wycombe Ecclesiastical parish: High Wycombe All Hallows County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration District: Wycombe Sub-registration District: High Wycombe ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household Schedule Number: 202 Piece: 1404 Folio: 25 Page Number: 41 Moses Mole 33 Lucy Mole 33 Harriet Mole 9 Mary I Mole 8 Eliza Mole 6 Joseph Mole 1 George Mole 12 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1404; Folio: 25; Page: 41; GSU roll: 828509.
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alviegal
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1 Jan 2014 21:06 |
1861 census transcription details for: Ludgershall Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 864 Folio: 109 Page: 19 Reg. District: Aylesbury Sub District: 1 Haddenham Parish: Ludgershall Enum. District: 7 Ecclesiastical District: Ludgershall City/Municipal Borough: Address: Ludgershall County: Buckinghamshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born MOLE, Moses Head Married M 24 1837 Agricultural Labourer Ludgershall, Buckinghamshire MOLE, Lucy Wife Married F 23 1838 Hethe, Oxfordshire MOLE, George Son M 2 1859 Ludgershall, Buckinghamshire
1871 census transcription details for: Gomm's Farm, Chipping Wycombe Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 1404 Folio: 25 Page: 41 Reg. District: Wycombe Sub District: Wycombe, High Parish: Chipping Wycombe Enum. District: 7 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Gomm's Farm, Chipping Wycombe County: Buckinghamshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born MOLE, Moses Head M 33 1838 Buckinghamshire MOLE, Lucy Wife F 33 1838 Oxfordshire MOLE, Harriet Daughter F 9 1862 Buckinghamshire >>MOLE, Mary J Daughter F 8 1863 Buckinghamshire MOLE, Eliza Daughter F 6 1865 Buckinghamshire MOLE, Joseph Son M 1 1870 Buckinghamshire MOLE, George Son M 12 1859 Buckinghamshire
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1881 census transcription details for: Skittles Green, Haddenham Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 1471 Folio: 12 Page: 17 Reg. District: Aylesbury Sub District: Haddenham Parish: Haddenham Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Skittles Green, Haddenham County: Buckinghamshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born MOLE, Moses Head Married M 44 1837 Ag Lab Ludgershall, Buckinghamshire MOLE, Mary Wife Married F 46 1835 Langley, Buckinghamshire PLATER, Jane Daughter Single F 19 1862 Dom Serv Unemployed Haddenham, Buckinghamshire
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1891 census transcription details for: Dolicot, Haddenham Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 1144 Folio: 26 Page: 13 Reg. District: Aylesbury Sub District: Haddenham Parish: Haddenham Enum. District: 2 Ecclesiastical District: St Marys City/Municipal Borough: Address: Dolicot, Haddenham County: Buckinghamshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born MOLE, Moses Head Married M 54 1837 Thatcher Ludgershall, Buckinghamshire MOLE, Mary Wife Married F 56 1835 Haddenham, Buckinghamshire OAT, Louisa Grandchild F 8 1883 Scholar Haddenham, Buckinghamshire
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alviegal
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1 Jan 2014 21:11 |
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1901 census transcription details for: Towns End, Haddenham Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 1354 Folio: 30 Page: 21 Reg. District: Aylesbury Sub District: Haddenham Parish: Haddenham Enum. District: 2 Ecclesiastical District: St Marys Haddenham City/Municipal Borough: Address: Towns End, Haddenham County: Buckinghamshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born PLATER, James Head Married M 51 1850 Coach Builder Haddenham, Buckinghamshire PLATER, Mary J Wife Married F 37 1864 Bishopston, Buckinghamshire PLATER, Louisa Daughter Single F 15 1886 Haddenham, Buckinghamshire PLATER, Walter Son Single M 13 1888 Haddenham, Buckinghamshire PLATER, Leonard Son M 11 1890 Haddenham, Buckinghamshire PLATER, William Son M 6 1895 Haddenham, Buckinghamshire PLATER, Raymond Son M 4 1897 Haddenham, Buckinghamshire
1911 census transcription details for: Towns End Haddenham Buckinghamshire Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN7917 RG78PN397 RD146 SD1 ED2 SN112 Reg. District: Aylesbury Sub District: Haddenham Parish: Haddenham Enum. District: 2 Address: Towns End Haddenham Buckinghamshire County: Buckinghamshire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born PLASTER, James Head Married M 61 1850 Coachbuilder Haddenham Bucks PLASTER, Mary J Wife Married 12 years F 47 1864 Bishopstone Bucks PLASTER, Louisa Daughter Single F 25 1886 Assistant Housekeeper Haddenham Bucks PLASTER, William J Son Single M 16 1895 Assistant In Business Haddenham Bucks PLASTER, Raymond L Son M 14 1897 Assistant In Business Haddenham Bucks PLASTER, Ralph B Son M 7 1904 School Haddenham Bucks
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Catherine
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1 Jan 2014 21:14 |
According to a tree on ancestry she married Eden Smith:-
Mary Jane Mole Ward Family Tree Birth: 1863 - Buckinghamshire, England Parents: Moses Mole, Lucy Rouse Spouse: Eden Smith
and had following children:-
Alice Smith
Benjamen Smith
Daisy Smith
Ralph Smith
Sid Smith
Albert Edward Smith
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1901 England Census about Mary J Smith Name: Mary J Smith Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Eden Smith Birth Place: Lugerhall, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Chipping Wycombe Town: Loudwater County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Eden Smith 39 Mary J Smith 38 Ernest W Smith 18 Arthur Smith 14 Harry Smith 14 Alice Smith 11 Ben Smith 8 Ellen Smith 6 Ted Smith 4 Ralph Smith 1
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alviegal
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1 Jan 2014 21:16 |
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Civil Registration event: Marriage Print Close Name: PLATER, James Registration district: Aylesbury County: Buckinghamshire Year of registration: 1894 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 3A Page no: 915
MarriageFinder: James Plater married one of the following people:
PLATER, Mary Jane
THORPE, Frederick
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ErikaH
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1 Jan 2014 21:16 |
Have you tried looking for info?
A good place to start is...........
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Are you looking for descendants of Eliza, or of her sister?
Or do you mean their ancestors?
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rootgatherer
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1 Jan 2014 21:21 |
Births Jun 1863 MOLE Mary Jane Aylesbury 3a 427
Any names of the children to help please?
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Jacky
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1 Jan 2014 21:24 |
1911 England Census about Eden Smith Name: Eden Smith Age in 1911: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Watlington Civil Parish: High Wycombe County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street Address: 10 Nuthall Cottages, Buch Road, Wycombe Marsh, High Wycombe, Bucks Marital Status: Married Years Married: 29 Estimated Marriage Year: 1882 Occupation: Bricklayer Registration District: Wycombe Registration District Number: 145 Sub-registration District: Wycombe ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household Schedule Number: 213 Piece: 7875 Household Members: Name Age Eden Smith 50 M J Smith 49 Alice Smith 21 Ben Smith 18 Nellie Smith 16 Robert Edward Smith 14 Sidney Smith 8 Daisy Smith 4
abt 1862 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Lugershall Civil Parish: High Wycombe County/Island: Buckinghamshire
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rootgatherer
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1 Jan 2014 21:28 |
Jane Plater on the 1881 census is unmarried and although listed as the daughter, it looks like she is actually the stepdaughter of Moses.
Marriages Sep 1880 Mole Moses Aylesbury 3a 795 Plater Mary Aylesbury 3a 795
So is she a different person to the Mary Jane born 1863 and on the 1871 census as the daughter of Moses and Lucy? I think so.
Deaths Sep 1878 (>99%) MOLE Lucy 41 Wycombe 3a 321
Not as yet finding Mary Jane on later census.
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alviegal
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1 Jan 2014 21:31 |
Does look to be correct.
I think you are correct about Mary Jane Plater rootgatherer. There is a person of that name born in 1863.
1901 census transcription details for: Wycombe Marsh, High Wycombe, Loudwater Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 1348 Folio: 25 Page: 18 Reg. District: Wycombe Sub District: Wycombe Parish: High Wycombe Enum. District: 12 Ecclesiastical District: High Wycombe All Saints City/Municipal Borough: Address: Wycombe Marsh, High Wycombe, Loudwater County: Buckinghamshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SMITH, Eden Head Married M 39 1862 Bricklayer Wattlington, Oxfordshire SMITH, Mary J Wife Married F 38 1863 Lugerhall, Buckinghamshire SMITH, Ernest W Son Single M 18 1883 Stoker Boiler H Wycombe, Buckinghamshire SMITH, Aurthur Son Single M 14 1887 French Polisher H Wycombe, Buckinghamshire SMITH, Harry Son Single M 14 1887 Odd Boy H Wycombe, Buckinghamshire SMITH, Alice Daughter Single F 11 1890 H Wycombe Marsh, Buckinghamshire SMITH, Ben Son Single M 8 1893 H Wycombe Marsh, Buckinghamshire SMITH, Ellen Daughter F 6 1895 H Wycombe Marsh, Buckinghamshire SMITH, Ted Son Single M 4 1897 H Wycombe Marsh, Buckinghamshire SMITH, Ralph Son Single M 1 1900 H Wycombe Marsh, Buckinghamshire
Name: MOLE, Moses Registration district: Aylesbury County: Buckinghamshire Year of registration: 1880 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 3A Page no: 795 Name: PLATER, Mary
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Catherine
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1 Jan 2014 21:31 |
1891 England Census about Mary J Smith Name: Mary J Smith Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Eden Smith Gender: Female Where born: Ludgershall, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Chipping Wycombe Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne Town: Marsh County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street Address:
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Registration District: Wycombe Sub-registration District: High Wycombe ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1139 Folio: 24 Page Number: 42 Household Members: Name Age Eden Smith 28 Mary J Smith 28 William E Smith 8 Arthur F Smith 6 Harry Smith 3 Alice S Smith 1 James Smith 77 - Father Maria Smith 66 - Mother
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Catherine
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1 Jan 2014 21:35 |
Somebody may have made a mistake somewhere ?????
Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%) Ayres Sophia Wycombe 3a 888 MOBE Mary Anne Wycombe 3a 888 MOTE Mary Anne Wycombe 3a 888
Sears John Wycombe 3a 888 SMITH Eden Wycombe 3a 888
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1 Jan 2014 21:39 |
1911
Name: Eden Smith Age in 1911: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Watlington Civil Parish: High Wycombe County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street Address: 10 Nuthall Cottages, Buch Road, Wycombe Marsh, High Wycombe, Bucks Marital Status: Married Years Married: 29 Estimated Marriage Year: 1882 Occupation: Bricklayer Registration District: Wycombe Registration District Number: 145 Sub-registration District: Wycombe ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household Schedule Number: 213 Piece: 7875 Household Members: Name Age Eden Smith 50 Bricklayer M J Smith 49 Alice Smith 21 Ben Smith 18 Nellie Smith 16 Robert Edward Smith 14 Sidney Smith 8 Daisy Smith 4
10 Children born, 8 living, 2 had died
EDIT
On the actual image on FreeBMD the name on the marriage is certainly Mary Anne Mobe
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Catherine
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1 Jan 2014 22:07 |
Possible?
Deaths Mar 1942 (>99%) Smith Mary J 78 Wycombe 3a 2371
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kathryn
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2 Jan 2014 19:48 |
Thanks to everyone for your help. I had the names of some of Mary Jane Mole's children, not in any particular order, Ernest, Edward, Benjamin, Ralph, Nelly, Alice and Daisy. Thanks, Catherine, for finding Mary Jane Mole's Spouse, Eden Smith. I am quite new to this family history stuff, so it was gret to get so much help.
I had been stuck on this one for a couple of years, but no more. Thanks again all.
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