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Hi, is anyone free to look up a
John Shaw born c1810 Cheshire. Believe he married a Anne Etchells on 11.8.1929 in Ashton Under Lyne. Trying to find them together on any census reports.
Many thanks

Maybe a mistranscription of Anne's name


1841 census transcription details for: George Street, Stockport, Dukinfield

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 109
Book/Folio: 6/11
Page: 17
Reg. District: Ashton & Oldham
Sub District: Dukinfield
Parish: Stockport
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: George Street, Stockport, Dukinfield
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SHAW, John M 30 1811 Cheshire
SHAW, Annis F 30 1811
SHAW, Hannah F 10 1831 Cheshire
SHAW, Mary F 9 1832 Cheshire
SHAW, Charlotte F 7 1834 Cheshire
SHAW, William M 1 1840 Cheshire

Sorry forgot to add that they should have a son living with them called John Edward Shaw born abt 1840 born Mossley, Manchester.

Same family

Name: John Shaw
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annis Shaw
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Mottram, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Dukinfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration District: Dukinfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1s
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 81
Piece: 2237
Folio: 657
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
John Shaw 48
Annis Shaw 42
Mary Shaws 18
Charlotte Shaws 16
Willm Shaws 4
Sarah Shaws 9
Robert Shaws 1
John Shaws 11

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2237; Folio: 657; Page: 22; GSU roll: 87249.

Not with a mum Anne

Name: John Shaw
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Shaw
Mother's Name: Margaret Shaw
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip's
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Manchester
Sub-registration District: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 1xx
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 144
Piece: 2226
Folio: 760
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
John Shaw 35 b Heaton Norris cheshire
Margaret Shaw 35
John Shaw 12
William Shaw 9
Sarah Shaw 6
Mary Shaw 11/12


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2226; Folio: 760; Page: 39.

thank you for these going to check through now

Can't think why someone would send info like that by pm instead of just posting on here?

I think this might be it

SHAW, Ann Head Widow F 40 1811 Cotton Reeler Cheshire
SHAW, James Son Unmarried M 21 1830 Cotton Spinner Cheshire
SHAW, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 17 1834 Cotton Reeler Cheshire
SHAW, Samuel Son M 15 1836 Cotton Piecer Cheshire
SHAW, Joseph Son M 13 1838 Cotton Piecer Cheshire
SHAW, John Edwd Son M 11 1840 Scholar Mossley, Lancashire
SHAW, Thomas Holden Son M 1 1850 Mossley, Lancashire
SUTCLIFFE, William Lodger Unmarried M 25 1826 Grinder Yorkshire
SUTCLIFFE, Joseph Lodger Unmarried M 17 1834 Cotton Piecer Manchester, Lancashire

Piece: 2238 Folio: 267 Page: 50
Registration District: Ashton-Under-Lyne
Civil Parish: Ashton under Lyne

Address: Mossley, Ashton Under Lyne County: Lancashire

Thank you for this. The pm said they had a possible link on their own tree and just copied for me what they had noted on their own tree but had got no further with the line.

This info does seem to tie in. Is anyone free to see if they can find any later census reports for Ann or her children. With thanks

Because the youngest son on that 1851 has a distinctive middle name thought I'd see what was available

Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: Thomas Holden Shaw
Birth Date: 11 Jul 1849
Age: 1
Baptism Date: 27 Apr 1851
Parish: Saddleworth, St Chad
Parish as it Appears: Saddleworth
Father's Name: Shaw
Mother's Name: Ann Shaw - Single woman
Reference Number: O9/1/2/5
Item Number: 5
Archive Roll: 906

Abode looks like Seel-fold

Ann, which of the families on the 1851 do you believe to be the correct one to follow? John & Annis or the Ann on her own?

How did you connect to John Shaw and Ann Etchells?

John Shaw born c1810 Cheshire. Believe he married a Anne Etchells on 11.8.1929 in Ashton Under Lyne. Found this entry on Familysearch.org

As Ann is listed as a widow on the 1851 census then listed as a single mother for the birth of Thomas Halden Shaw looks like John Shaw could have died around the 1849 period.

Connected John Shaw to Ann Etchells through the above marriage and birth of their son John Edward Shaw. e.g John Edward living with his mother Ann. Need to order certificate to be certain

I think John might have died before that, just my opinion but I think if he'd died after the conception of Thomas then he would be named (marked as deceased) on the baptism - or at the very least Ann would be noted as widow. As there's a 10 year gap between Thomas and John Edward I'd suspect Thomas was the issue of a later relationship (perhaps with a Mr Holden?)

Just posting this for our reference:

Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

Name: John Edward Shaw
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1839
Age: 2
Baptism Date: 29 May 1842
Parish: Saddleworth, St Chad
Parish as it Appears: Saddleworth
Father's Name: John Shaw - Spinner
Mother's Name: Ann Shaw
Reference Number: O9/1/2/4
Item Number: 4
Archive Roll: 906

Abode: Spring Bank

Yes that is possible then, his child before this was as you list above John Edward Shaw 1839 so John could have died anytime between 1838 and 1849 then. Have you been able to find Baptism records for any of the other children at all?

No, not the others I'm afraid. The two youngest lads were easy because they were Lancs whereas the older ones were Cheshire.

Not having any luck on later census yet either, wonder if Ann remarried?

Yes she may well of done.

Thank you for all your efforts, much appreciated.