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Hi Newdawn, just about to send that cutting to you.

Just a word of caution about the ages on the 1841 - adult ages rounded down so Elizabeth could have been 34, plenty old enough to have an eldest child of 16!

Hello again Marie Celeste
Thank you once again for your replies this what I have found out with the help of your replies.Nicholas Swan Millen is the son of Peter Millen and Margaret Swan ,Elizabeth may have been her middle name .Margaret Swan was born 1811 Bedlington Northumberland her parents are John Swan and Mary Davison who were married 1803 at Woodhorn Northumberland, John is listed as a nailer?. Looking at 1841 census I reasoned that Peter Millen may have been married twice because his childrens ages are close to his wifes and this proved to be the case, his first wife was Jane Mackay of Northumerland Peter Millen was made a Master Mariner 1851 at Berwick after 39 years at sea this allowed him to be called Captain
I have not found his parents yet.I would very much like to be sent the clipping about
obituary 1939 of Sarah Annie Millen if you do not mind.

Many thanks once again.

Posting that 1871 for reference:

MILLAN, Nicholas Head M 34 1837 Northumberland, Berwick - Labourer
MILLAN, Hariet Wife F 29 1842 Northumberland, North Shields
MILLAN, Eliz Mother F 62 1809 Northumberland, Belford
MILLAN, Eliz J Niece F 6 1865 Northumberland, Newcastle
MILLAN, John W Nephew M 4 1867 Northumberland, Newcastle
MCGUIRE, Isabella No Relative F 2 1869 County Durham
HENDERSON, Wm Lodger M 30 1841 County Durham

Piece: 5058 Folio: 32 Page: 57
Registration District: Gateshead
Civil Parish: Gateshead
Municipal Borough: Gateshead

Address: 49 Monk Street, Gateshead County: Durham

I notice on your other thread that there are seafaring Millens.

This is the father Peter from the 1841 above:

Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941

Last name: Millen
First names: Peter
Age: 45
Year of birth: 1800
Place of birth: Berwick Upon Tweed
County/country of birth: Northumberland

Series: BT115
Date range: 1845-1854
Piece number: 8

Very little info, last recorded voyage seems to have been 1846.

Can't get this record to come up on FMP, this is from Ancestry:

1841 England Census about Nicol Mallin

Name: Nicol Mallin
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Berwick Upon Tweed
Hundred: Berwick upon Tweed
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Wool Market
Registration District: Berwick upon Tweed
Sub-registration District: Berwick upon Tweed


Piece: 844
Book: 2
Folio: 34
Page Number: 14

Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Mallin 41 - Mariner
Elizabeth Mallin 30
John Mallin 16
Ann Mallin 14
Peter Mallin 11
Nicol Mallin 4

(All born in county)

Name is much more like Millen on original image.

Given that adult ages are rounded down (odd how Peter snr has exact age?) then the mother Elizabeth fits with the 1871 census.

ADDED: The John Millen who is on the 1881 & 1891 cenus on your other thread (married to Agnes) is highly likely the John aged 16 on here and hence the brother of Nicholas.

There's an obituary in a Kent newspaper of May 1939:

The funeral took place Marden on Friday Mrs. Sarah Annie Millen, widow of Mr. Nicholas Swan Millen, Newcastle-on-Tyne, who died early the previous day at the age of 60. Mrs. Millen came from Newcastle last May to reside with her brother Mr Arthur Scott. She had been a widow for 13 years.

The obit is actually much longer as it names then mourners.

I can send you clipping by pm if you're interested.

The odd thing is that if she'd been widowed for 13 years by 1939 then that means there should be a Nicholas Swan Millen dying around 1926 and I can't see one.

EDIT: The papers have got it wrong! She was married to N S Millen born 1875 per the 1911 census and he died 1913.

But the birth certificate would give you the mother's maiden name so you could find the correct marriage ....... (unless he was illegitimate but at least you'd know).

If his mother was born Belford (as per that 1871) and Nicholas born Berwick then it's unlikely (but not altogether impossible) that his parent's marriage took place in Tynemouth.

Given that Nicholas was born Berwick, his parents marriage could even come under Scottish records.

Hello Marie Celeste
Thank you for your reply regarding the above query since receiving it I have found Nicholas Swan Millen on the 1871 census for Gateshead.He is living at 49 Monk Street with his wife Harriet nee Ringrose and his mother Elizabeth a widow aged 62.
The age of his mother must be wrong because I have looked for marriages etc and what I found is a marriage between Robert Millen and Elizabeth Davidson 1822 Tynemouth and she would have been only 12-13-14 years old. On the1871 census mothers birthplace given is Belford Northumberland.
Many thanks once again for your reply.

Hello Newdawn

you could always buy this birth certificate to see what parents are named:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Nicholas Swan Millan
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1837
Registration District: Berwick
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 25
Page: 8

Just to say thanks to everyone for the replies you sent me regarding the above query.I have done some more research looking for a possible connection and came across some Nicholas Swans and related families living in Cornhill Berwickshire around 1780s same area.Nicholas Swan Millen born 1837 Berwick could be I
illegitimate and mother taking first names of father as that happened sometimes.

many many thanks once again I will keep looking.

Elizabeth Stevenson Millen
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 12 July 1857 Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England
father: John Millen
mother: Agnes

Thomasina Stevenson Ferguson Millen
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 20 September 1863 Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England
father: John Millen
mother: Agnes

Margaret Jamison Millen
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 24 November 1867 Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England
father: John Millen
mother: Agnes

Name: Nicholas Swan Millen
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 10 Jun 1874
Christening Place: Elswick, Northumberland, England
Father's Name: John Millen
Mother's Name: Agnes
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03060-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 2193276
Reference ID: item 6 p 46

1891 census transcription details for: 18, Conyers Road, Byker, Newcastle Upon Tyne
Print Close

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 4215
Folio: 124
Page: 16
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub District: Byker
Parish: Byker
Enum. District: 23
Ecclesiastical District: St Silas
City/Municipal Borough: Newcastle upon Tyne
Address: 18, Conyers Road, Byker, Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MILLEN, John Head Married M 65 1826 Retired Mariner
Berwick on Tweed
MILLEN, Agnes Wife Married F 56 1835
Berwick on Tweed
MILLEN, John F Son Single M 21 1870 Assistant Baker
Berwick on Tweed
MILLEN, Robert F Son Single M 19 1872 Assistant Grocer
Berwick on Tweed
>>MILLEN, Nicholas S Son Single M 16 1875 Apprentice Baker
Newcastle upon Tyne
PLACE, Isabel Granddaughter Single F 16 1875
Newcastle upon Tyne

Related thread.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1334375

It would probably be better to continue with the above thread as a lot of info. was already found re the Milen family...

I have been researching the Millen and related families from Newcastle and Berwick on Tweed areas and with a lot of help from yourselves i have tied up a lot of loose ends regarding the families. I would appreciate it very much with help in finding out how the Swan and Millen families are connected. I have a Nicholas Swan Millen born about 1837 at Berwick he died 1876 Gateshead .A Nicholas Swan Millen born 1876 Newcastle on Tyne he died 1913 at Newcastle but it is the connection between the two families that I cannot find at all anywhere.

Many thanks