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TiddlyBow
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17 Dec 2013 17:19 |
Trying to find the death of Charles Buckley bc 1853 "England", Alive 1921/1922. Recorded in Inverness Trade Directories for many previous years. Married to Sarah Buckley (ms Smith d1920) according to her Death Cert.
Cannot find Death or Marriage of Charles.
Any help/advice gratefully received.
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alviegal
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17 Dec 2013 17:27 |
I take it this is he?
1901 census transcription details for: 5, Simpsons Lane, Inverness Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 98 Folio: 19 Page: 33 Reg. District: Inverness Sub District: Parish: Inverness Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: Inverness City/Municipal Borough: Address: 5, Simpsons Lane, Inverness County: Invernessshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BUCKLEY, Charles Head Married M 47 1854 Fish Dealer England BUCKLEY, Sarah Wife Married F 43 1858 Fish Dealer Wife England BUCKLEY, Susan Daughter Single F 22 1879 Formerly Mill Worker England
1891 census transcription details for: Meal Vennel, Middle Church Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 387 Folio: 24 Page: 24 Reg. District: Perth Sub District: Parish: Middle Church Enum. District: 24 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Meal Vennel, Middle Church County: Perthshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born QUEEN, John Head Married M 70 1821 Broker Perthshire QUEEN, Margaret Wife Married F 72 1819 Ireland HORNE, Charles Lodger Married M 31 1860 Perthshire YOUNG, Cathrine Lodger Married F 27 1864 Kirthory, Invernessshire OGILVY, Elspeth Lodger Widow F 54 1837 Kirkcaldy, Fife WALLACE, Annie Lodger Widow F 89 1802 Midlothian >>BUCKLEY, Charles Lodger Married M 38 1853 Glasgow ??SMITH, Sarah Lodger Married F 39 1852 England BUCKLEY, Emily Lodger Unmarried F 17 1874 England BUCKLEY, Alick Lodger Unmarried F 15 1876 England >>BUCKLEY, Susan Lodger Unmarried F 12 1879 England HANLON, Francis Lodger Unmarried M 40 1851 Ireland MULLER, Jakob Lodger Unmarried M 19 1872 Germany MULLER, Karl Lodger Unmarried M 17 1874 Germany SCHAMBACH, Karl Lodger Unmarried M 18 1873 Germany GABIEL, Karl Lodger Unmarried M 21 1870 Germany YEOBRAL, Karl Lodger Unmarried M 15 1876 Germany STEIL, John Lodger Unmarried M 16 1875 Germany BREWSTER, Alexander Lodger Unmarried M 36 1855 Clerk Kinnoull, Perthshire
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greyghost
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17 Dec 2013 20:11 |
A Charles Buckley age 57 is in Inverness on 1911 census ( more credits required to look at full census details).
The only Scottish death I'm seeing is of a Charles Edward Buckley in 1934 aged 85 in Dumfries so not the right age by 5 years (have checked up to 1960!)
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TiddlyBow
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17 Dec 2013 23:05 |
Alviegal and Stuart. Thank you. I have the Census records for 1891, 1901 and 1911 from ScotlandsPeople.
That is the family, In fact Alick is mistranscribed....it is Alice Female on the "Original"
Also Charles is born England....not born Glasgow. on the original.
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alviegal
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18 Dec 2013 10:14 |
Do you know who Susan married? There is a Susan Buckley married to George Gunn, who died in 1956 and is buried in Tomnahurich cemetery.
EDIT I see you are looking for Gunns from Inverness.
The above couple had daughter Sarah, buried 1914 and son Thomas F, buried 1965. George was buried 1933.
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alviegal
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18 Dec 2013 10:25 |
Have you seen this posting, maybe you know who made it?
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/forum/topic6519.html
Trying to find birth and marriage records of GGm Sarah Buckley (ms Smith). Died Sept 1920. Inverness Scotland. Age 68. Buried Tomnahurich Cemetery Inverness. Unmarked grave. She is mistranscribed as BucklAy in Scotlands People. On Death Cert F = Worthington Smith. Mother = Elizabeth Smith, ms____?________. Have Death Cert and Cemetery record.
Have her with Husband (Charles Buckley) and family (Emily, Alice and Susan ) in 1891 census in Perth Scotland. but she is on the census as Sarah Smith, Married. All "born England"
Have some family in Inverness in 1901 census. Charles Buckley, Sarah Buckley and Susan Buckley 12, all "born England"
Have M, D Emily, but no Birth Record. Cannot find B, M, D Charles. Cannot find B,M Sarah. Cannot find B, M, D Alice. Cannot find B Susan.
Any help or advice much appreciated for this brickwall.
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alviegal
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18 Dec 2013 10:32 |
Child of Emily who married Alexander Williamson.
1899 06 06 Lindsay M Inverness 098/00 0362 Alexander Emily Buckley Married: November 27, 1894 in Inverness
Hello, I am looking for any information if possible on Alexander Williamson b1870 Inverness Scotland. Married Emily Buckly b1894 London England. I am also looking for Emilys Parents. Parents Charles Buckley b1852 Ireland Wife Susan Smith b1853 Married 27 Nov 1894 5, Old Edinburgh Rd Inverness
Alexander Williamson (of 7 Madras St. Inverness. Horse Dealer) m Emily Buckley (Pedlar in Soft Goods of 31 Upper Kessock St. Inverness) on 27 Nov 1894 at 5 Old Edinburgh Road Inverness.
Parents of Alexander: f. Lindsay Williamson, Horse Dealer. m. Mary Williamson ms Macmillan. (m 27 July 1880 Inverness).
Parents of Emily: f. Charles Buckley, General Pedlar. m. Sarah Buckley ms Smith.
GROS 098/000165
EDIT It is the Buckley line pre 1891 where the brick wall is on my line. Very elusive. Emily's mother Sarah Buckley (ms Smith) was killed in Inverness in Sept 1920 and from her Death cert her parents were Worthington Smith and Elizabeth Smith.
From http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=189866.0
Please can some kind person help me with finding the birth details for Susan Buckley born Bury Lancashire, father Charles Buckley (Fish Dealer) b1854 Ireland Mother Sarah Buckley nee Smith. Susan Buckley Married George GUNN (Seaman) born 1876 Inverness Marriage 6th Nov 1907 Elgin Died 25/04/1956 . Charles Buckley & Family is on 1891census Vennel Perth Scotland. Sounds complicated they must have lived in England lancashire then moved to Scotland, thats where she met George & Married. Desperate Rita
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=32508.0
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alviegal
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18 Dec 2013 10:42 |
There is no marriage date and place for Charles and Sarah added to Emily's marriage certificate above which indicates they were not married. As you see, Alexander's parents were married 27 July 1880 Inverness.
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greyghost
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18 Dec 2013 11:16 |
Have you found him or anyone else in his family on any census before 1891? Be blowed if I can - Scotland or England!
Have you found his daughters births to pin down an area in England? Also to determine name of their Mother - was it Sarah Smith?
Am wondering if he had been in the Army or was he a fisherman turned fish dealer and whilst the children may have been born in England, then he might have been abroad/away at sea?
Where is the last place you know Charles was alive and when was that? Could he have gone to live with one of the daughters away from Inverness or even died whilst on holiday somewhere?
If the Sarah Smith on the 1891 census is Sarah Buckley on the 1901, then there is a 6 year difference in her age/birth year 1852/1858 which doesn't help a search. What age is she recorded at when she dies and where was that? Not seeing a Sarah Buckley death Scotland in 1920 (there is a Sarah Smith, b 1852, in Inverness)
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alviegal
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18 Dec 2013 11:33 |
Stuart, have edited my above10:32 posting to include what was said about Sarah's death.
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TiddlyBow
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18 Dec 2013 12:48 |
Stuart and Alvie,,,many thanks again. Many questions asked.
I have most of the info mentioned and it is my message in the WDYTYA mag. But no response.
Sarah's death is MISTRANSCRIBED in ScotlandsPeople...it is BucklAy. there is also a RCI because her death was uncertified.
Ref Charles.....my original post:
"Trying to find the death of Charles Buckley bc 1853 "England", Alive 1921/1922. Recorded in Inverness Trade Directories for many previous years. Married to Sarah Buckley (ms Smith d1920) according to her Death Cert. Cannot find Death or Marriage of Charles."
I further add he is in the Valuation Rolls so he appears to be alive until1921/22. I do not think they married, but 1911 Census shows married woman married for 29 years. I only know of 3 Children but 1911 census shows 5 born alive.
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greyghost
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18 Dec 2013 12:54 |
Alviegal, Logged on, stuck looking for Buckley's and posted without refreshing page, so missed your postings between times. Then went straight out with the dogs in a window of not raining opportunity!
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Potty
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18 Dec 2013 12:55 |
TiddlyBow, are you wanting to go backwards with Charles or do you have that info?
I have possibly found him with his family in 1871 and 1861 but don't want to post if you already have him.
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greyghost
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18 Dec 2013 13:42 |
Put us all out of our misery Potty, don't think Charles has been found pre 1891
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Potty
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18 Dec 2013 13:51 |
OK, Stuart. Doing an occupation search for "Fish", with name Buckley on the 1881, I came up with this family:
81 England Census
Francis Buckley - Fish Dealer Age:23 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1858 Relationship to Head:Son Father:Francis Buckley Mother:Rachel Buckley Gender:Male Where born:Bury, Lancashire, England Civil Parish:Bury County/Island:Lancashire Street Address:13 Cook St Francis Buckley 52 Rachel Buckley 46 Andrew Buckley 25 Francis Buckley 23 John Buckley 16 Alice A. Buckley 13 Alice Buckley 87 Charles Wilkinson 25
and seeing the Alice and Bury connection, I went back to 1871 for the family and found this:
1871 England Census Charley Buckley Age:18 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1853 Relation:Son Father's Name:Frances Buckley Mother's Name:Rachel Buckley Where born:Bury, Lancashire, England Civil Parish:Bury Ecclesiastical parish:Holy Trinity Frances Buckley 42 Rachel Buckley 34 Charley Buckley 18 - cotton piecer, I think the image is Charles Andrew Buckley 15 Francis Buckley 13 Mary A Buckley 12 George Buckley 9 John Buckley 7 Alice Buckley Edit: can't find this Charles Buckley after 1871 in England.
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greyghost
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18 Dec 2013 14:08 |
That looks quite good doesn't it. Now where is Charles in 1881 - got to be somewhere with 3 children and a "wife"
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TiddlyBow
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18 Dec 2013 21:34 |
Potty.
I am trying to find his Death, however, lf Charles Buckley can be found before 1891 I would be most grateful. Alice was born 1876 according to the 1891 census, so ages in 1881 and 1871 are out, but according to 1911 census Sarah has been "married" for 29 years.
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