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Charles Buckley.

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TiddlyBow

TiddlyBow Report 17 Dec 2013 17:19

Trying to find the death of Charles Buckley bc 1853 "England",
Alive 1921/1922. Recorded in Inverness Trade Directories for many previous years.
Married to Sarah Buckley (ms Smith d1920) according to her Death Cert.

Cannot find Death or Marriage of Charles.

Any help/advice gratefully received.

alviegal

alviegal Report 17 Dec 2013 17:27

I take it this is he?

1901 census transcription details for: 5, Simpsons Lane, Inverness
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 98
Folio: 19
Page: 33
Reg. District: Inverness
Sub District:
Parish: Inverness
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: Inverness
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 5, Simpsons Lane, Inverness
County: Invernessshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BUCKLEY, Charles Head Married M 47 1854 Fish Dealer
England
BUCKLEY, Sarah Wife Married F 43 1858 Fish Dealer Wife
England
BUCKLEY, Susan Daughter Single F 22 1879 Formerly Mill Worker
England




1891 census transcription details for: Meal Vennel, Middle Church
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 387
Folio: 24
Page: 24
Reg. District: Perth
Sub District:
Parish: Middle Church
Enum. District: 24
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Meal Vennel, Middle Church
County: Perthshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
QUEEN, John Head Married M 70 1821 Broker
Perthshire
QUEEN, Margaret Wife Married F 72 1819
Ireland
HORNE, Charles Lodger Married M 31 1860
Perthshire
YOUNG, Cathrine Lodger Married F 27 1864
Kirthory, Invernessshire
OGILVY, Elspeth Lodger Widow F 54 1837
Kirkcaldy, Fife
WALLACE, Annie Lodger Widow F 89 1802
Midlothian
>>BUCKLEY, Charles Lodger Married M 38 1853
Glasgow
??SMITH, Sarah Lodger Married F 39 1852
England
BUCKLEY, Emily Lodger Unmarried F 17 1874
England
BUCKLEY, Alick Lodger Unmarried F 15 1876
England
>>BUCKLEY, Susan Lodger Unmarried F 12 1879
England
HANLON, Francis Lodger Unmarried M 40 1851
Ireland
MULLER, Jakob Lodger Unmarried M 19 1872
Germany
MULLER, Karl Lodger Unmarried M 17 1874
Germany
SCHAMBACH, Karl Lodger Unmarried M 18 1873
Germany
GABIEL, Karl Lodger Unmarried M 21 1870
Germany
YEOBRAL, Karl Lodger Unmarried M 15 1876
Germany
STEIL, John Lodger Unmarried M 16 1875
Germany
BREWSTER, Alexander Lodger Unmarried M 36 1855 Clerk
Kinnoull, Perthshire

greyghost

greyghost Report 17 Dec 2013 20:11

A Charles Buckley age 57 is in Inverness on 1911 census ( more credits required to look at full census details).

The only Scottish death I'm seeing is of a Charles Edward Buckley in 1934 aged 85 in Dumfries so not the right age by 5 years (have checked up to 1960!)

TiddlyBow

TiddlyBow Report 17 Dec 2013 23:05

Alviegal and Stuart. Thank you. I have the Census records for 1891, 1901 and 1911 from ScotlandsPeople.

That is the family, In fact Alick is mistranscribed....it is Alice Female on the "Original"

Also Charles is born England....not born Glasgow. on the original.





alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Dec 2013 10:14

Do you know who Susan married? There is a Susan Buckley married to George Gunn, who died in 1956 and is buried in Tomnahurich cemetery.

EDIT I see you are looking for Gunns from Inverness.

The above couple had daughter Sarah, buried 1914 and son Thomas F, buried 1965.
George was buried 1933.

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Dec 2013 10:25

Have you seen this posting, maybe you know who made it?

http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/forum/topic6519.html



Trying to find birth and marriage records of GGm Sarah Buckley (ms Smith). Died Sept 1920. Inverness Scotland. Age 68. Buried Tomnahurich Cemetery Inverness. Unmarked grave. She is mistranscribed as BucklAy in Scotlands People. On Death Cert F = Worthington Smith. Mother = Elizabeth Smith, ms____?________. Have Death Cert and Cemetery record.

Have her with Husband (Charles Buckley) and family (Emily, Alice and Susan ) in 1891 census in Perth Scotland. but she is on the census as Sarah Smith, Married. All "born England"

Have some family in Inverness in 1901 census. Charles Buckley, Sarah Buckley and Susan Buckley 12, all "born England"

Have M, D Emily, but no Birth Record. Cannot find B, M, D Charles. Cannot find B,M Sarah.
Cannot find B, M, D Alice. Cannot find B Susan.

Any help or advice much appreciated for this brickwall.

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alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Dec 2013 10:32

Child of Emily who married Alexander Williamson.

1899 06 06 Lindsay M Inverness 098/00 0362 Alexander Emily Buckley Married: November 27, 1894 in Inverness


Hello, I am looking for any information if possible on Alexander Williamson b1870 Inverness Scotland.
Married Emily Buckly b1894 London England.
I am also looking for Emilys Parents. Parents Charles Buckley b1852 Ireland Wife Susan Smith b1853
Married 27 Nov 1894 5, Old Edinburgh Rd Inverness



Alexander Williamson (of 7 Madras St. Inverness. Horse Dealer) m Emily Buckley (Pedlar in Soft Goods of 31 Upper Kessock St. Inverness) on 27 Nov 1894 at 5 Old Edinburgh Road Inverness.

Parents of Alexander: f. Lindsay Williamson, Horse Dealer. m. Mary Williamson ms Macmillan. (m 27 July 1880 Inverness).

Parents of Emily: f. Charles Buckley, General Pedlar. m. Sarah Buckley ms Smith.

GROS 098/000165


EDIT
It is the Buckley line pre 1891 where the brick wall is on my line. Very elusive. Emily's mother Sarah Buckley (ms Smith) was killed in Inverness in Sept 1920 and from her Death cert her parents were Worthington Smith and Elizabeth Smith.


From http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=189866.0


Please can some kind person help me with finding the birth details for Susan Buckley born Bury Lancashire, father Charles Buckley (Fish Dealer) b1854 Ireland Mother Sarah Buckley nee Smith.
Susan Buckley Married George GUNN (Seaman) born 1876 Inverness Marriage 6th Nov 1907 Elgin Died 25/04/1956 .
Charles Buckley & Family is on 1891census Vennel Perth Scotland. Sounds complicated they must have lived in England lancashire then moved to Scotland, thats where she met George & Married.
Desperate Rita


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=32508.0

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Dec 2013 10:42

There is no marriage date and place for Charles and Sarah added to Emily's marriage certificate above which indicates they were not married.
As you see, Alexander's parents were married 27 July 1880 Inverness.

greyghost

greyghost Report 18 Dec 2013 11:16

Have you found him or anyone else in his family on any census before 1891? Be blowed if I can - Scotland or England!

Have you found his daughters births to pin down an area in England? Also to determine name of their Mother - was it Sarah Smith?

Am wondering if he had been in the Army or was he a fisherman turned fish dealer and whilst the children may have been born in England, then he might have been abroad/away at sea?

Where is the last place you know Charles was alive and when was that? Could he have gone to live with one of the daughters away from Inverness or even died whilst on holiday somewhere?

If the Sarah Smith on the 1891 census is Sarah Buckley on the 1901, then there is a 6 year difference in her age/birth year 1852/1858 which doesn't help a search. What age is she recorded at when she dies and where was that? Not seeing a Sarah Buckley death Scotland in 1920 (there is a Sarah Smith, b 1852, in Inverness)

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Dec 2013 11:33

Stuart, have edited my above10:32 posting to include what was said about Sarah's death.

TiddlyBow

TiddlyBow Report 18 Dec 2013 12:48

Stuart and Alvie,,,many thanks again. Many questions asked.

I have most of the info mentioned and it is my message in the WDYTYA mag. But no response.

Sarah's death is MISTRANSCRIBED in ScotlandsPeople...it is BucklAy. there is also a RCI because her death was uncertified.


Ref Charles.....my original post:

"Trying to find the death of Charles Buckley bc 1853 "England",
Alive 1921/1922. Recorded in Inverness Trade Directories for many previous years.
Married to Sarah Buckley (ms Smith d1920) according to her Death Cert.
Cannot find Death or Marriage of Charles."

I further add he is in the Valuation Rolls so he appears to be alive until1921/22.
I do not think they married, but 1911 Census shows married woman married for 29 years. I only know of 3 Children but 1911 census shows 5 born alive.



greyghost

greyghost Report 18 Dec 2013 12:54

Alviegal, Logged on, stuck looking for Buckley's and posted without refreshing page, so missed your postings between times. Then went straight out with the dogs in a window of not raining opportunity!

Potty

Potty Report 18 Dec 2013 12:55

TiddlyBow, are you wanting to go backwards with Charles or do you have that info?

I have possibly found him with his family in 1871 and 1861 but don't want to post if you already have him.

greyghost

greyghost Report 18 Dec 2013 13:42

Put us all out of our misery Potty, don't think Charles has been found pre 1891

Potty

Potty Report 18 Dec 2013 13:51

OK, Stuart. Doing an occupation search for "Fish", with name Buckley on the 1881, I came up with this family:


81 England Census

Francis Buckley - Fish Dealer
Age:23
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1858
Relationship to Head:Son
Father:Francis Buckley
Mother:Rachel Buckley
Gender:Male
Where born:Bury, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Bury
County/Island:Lancashire
Street Address:13 Cook St
Francis Buckley 52
Rachel Buckley 46
Andrew Buckley 25
Francis Buckley 23
John Buckley 16
Alice A. Buckley 13
Alice Buckley 87
Charles Wilkinson 25

and seeing the Alice and Bury connection, I went back to 1871 for the family and found this:


1871 England Census
Charley Buckley
Age:18
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1853
Relation:Son
Father's Name:Frances Buckley
Mother's Name:Rachel Buckley
Where born:Bury, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Bury
Ecclesiastical parish:Holy Trinity
Frances Buckley 42
Rachel Buckley 34
Charley Buckley 18 - cotton piecer, I think the image is Charles
Andrew Buckley 15
Francis Buckley 13
Mary A Buckley 12
George Buckley 9
John Buckley 7
Alice Buckley

Edit: can't find this Charles Buckley after 1871 in England.



greyghost

greyghost Report 18 Dec 2013 14:08

That looks quite good doesn't it. Now where is Charles in 1881 - got to be somewhere with 3 children and a "wife"

TiddlyBow

TiddlyBow Report 18 Dec 2013 21:34

Potty.

I am trying to find his Death, however, lf Charles Buckley can be found before 1891 I would be most grateful. Alice was born 1876 according to the 1891 census, so ages in 1881 and 1871 are out, but according to 1911 census Sarah has been "married" for 29 years.