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Lynn
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9 Dec 2013 18:15 |
Hello, I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to find the birthplace of my 3xgrt grandfather?He appeared on the Scottish 1841 census but this particular census did not record the actual place of birth,it simply answers the question with a yes or no if they were born in the parish where the census was taken.I'm hopeful that there are records I could look at which I may have missed,can anyone help me please as this would hopefully open up another cluster to add to my family tree. My 3xgrt grandfather was not born in the parish of Portmoak where he lived in 1841 but I don't have a clue where to start looking.
Thanks in advance
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9 Dec 2013 18:31 |
How old was he in 1841 and his name ?
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Gee
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9 Dec 2013 19:00 |
Hi Lynn
Do you have his birth details and his name...parents and siblings if you have them?
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AnnCardiff
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9 Dec 2013 20:46 |
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Lynn
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9 Dec 2013 21:14 |
Hi, My 3xgrt grandfather was David Reid he is aged 40 on the 1841 census for Portmoak Parish,the village was West Balgedie. The only other record I have found was his marriage to my 3xgrt grandmother Isabella Sinclair which took place on 27th October 1820 in Glendevon Parish. I'm afraid I have no info on his siblings or parents as I have no idea which area to look at. I've been stuck at this brick wall for 32 yrs would you believe,probably because I'm not sure what to look for. PS. He was a blacksmith on census,but may have been a drover before his marriage.
Thanks Lynn.
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SylviaInCanada
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9 Dec 2013 21:21 |
have you any idea when he died?
Age 40-45 is not that old!
I understand that Scottish parish records, and birth certificates (if after the mid-1850s) do give the names of parents, wives, etc
I understand bmd registration came in in Scotland around 1855 ......... someone may know better
Do remember that ages on the 1841 Census (and ONLY that census) were rounded down to the nearest 5 ................ so someone aged 40 would actually be between 40 and 45
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SylviaInCanada
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9 Dec 2013 21:26 |
Just for our information (and possible help!)
is this David on the 1841 Census??
Name: David Reid Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Portmoak County: Kinross Address: West Balgidy Occupation: Black Smith Parish Number: 464 Household Members: Name Age David Reid 40 Isabella Reid 40 Thomas Reid 19 Janet Reid 17 Elisabeth Reid 15 Jean Reid 13 Grace Reid 11 James Reid 9
Have you tried looking for Isabella or any of the children on later censuses??
I note that all children are shown as born in Kinross, while Isabella is born in "Scotland", like David.
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SylviaInCanada
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9 Dec 2013 21:34 |
For example, this looks like the elder son, Thomas, in 1851.
he was a Blacksmith's Apprentice in 1841, now is Blacksmith in Portmoak ...... and he has siblings Eliza (??Elizabeth), Grace and James living with him
1851 Census
Name: Thomas Reid Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Relationship: Head Gender: Male Where born: Portmoak, Kinross Parish Number: 464 Civil Parish: Portmoak Town: Wester Balgedie County: Kinross Address: Farm Bothie Occupation: Black Smith ED: 5 Page: 14 (click to see others on page) Household Schedule Number: 30 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1851_95 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Reid 27 Eliza Reid 23 Weaver Grace Reid 20 Housekeeper James Reid 18 Blacksmith Apprentice
I would first look to see if you can find David (and Isabella's) death in or around Portmoak. You might information on his birthplace, or parents, on there.
Also remember the Scottish naming practice ................. maybe the names of the children are a clue?
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SylviaInCanada
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9 Dec 2013 21:46 |
you might be interested in this website .......... you could even add the David and his sons to the listings!
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blacksmiths/index.htm
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alviegal
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9 Dec 2013 22:02 |
Not sure if this is your David? From http://www.deceasedonline.com/
Burial Register summary last name Reid first names David Burial date 4 Jun 1864 Authority Location Portmoak Churchyard (Perth and Kinross)
No I think this is another David born 1796.
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SylviaInCanada
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10 Dec 2013 01:10 |
There is another David Reid born in Portmoak, wife Mary
I got misled by him for a minute :-)
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Lynn
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11 Dec 2013 18:05 |
Hi, Yes that is my David you have on the 1841 census. I have all his children and a bit about his wife Isabella Sinclair,but as I said all I have on him is his marriage and 1841 census,I have searched and found a few of his children's marriages,including my 2xgrt grandfather James his youngest son,he married Barbara Low in Jan 1855. Parents of James as on ennumeration is; David Reid and Isabella Sinclair(Deceased). Does this mean they are both dead written like this or is it just the latter? Also found his daughter Grace's marriage to a Charles Archibald in 1857 and on this one it says; Father-David Reid(Deceased)and Mother-Isabella Sinclair(Deceased).So would I be right in thinking he is definately dead on Grace's marriage?Not too sure about James's though. Any help and advice would be great.
Thanks, Lynn.
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Lynn
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11 Dec 2013 18:06 |
Hi also the eldest son Thomas is recorded as head on the 1851 census 10 yrs later and is living with some of his siblings.
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rootgatherer
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12 Dec 2013 11:42 |
When you look for their marriage on Familysearch it only appears once which would suggest that the Banns were only read in one parish. To me that would suggest that they were both of the same parish, in this case Glendevon. Glendevon is in Perthshire so on the 1841 census in Kinross it would indicate that neither David nor Isabella were of that county.
Have you checked the original image on Scotlandspeople for the marriage - just in case it gives a little more information please?
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Lynn
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12 Dec 2013 17:13 |
Hi Rootsgatherer, Yes I already have the actual marriage of David Reid to Isabella Sinclair. I found it on Scotlands people and ordered a copy.It basically says that their 3 marriage banns were done in the Glendevon parish at a place called Muckhart. But thats all it tells me.
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Lynn
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12 Dec 2013 17:22 |
It does state they were both in this parish. I had an old letter passed to me that was written about 30 yrs ago by an older gentleman named Thomas Reid (I think it may have been David's grt grandson). He said in the letter that his theory was David Reid may have been a cattle drover walking a number of cattle down to the Falkirk Tryst cattle market twice yearly,in the spring and autumn,stopping for a rest at Glendevon,this may have been the way my 3xgrt grandparents knew each other and married,but from where he started his journey I don't know.It looks like after they married they moved to West Balgedie and he became a blacksmith and started having his children with Isabella.Its frustrating not knowing where he actually came from.Especially after looking for this answer for 32 yrs.
Regards
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