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hi I am trying to find out about Eliza Parker, born 5th May 1838 at 328 Bowling Back Lane Bradford. Her mother was Ann Parker father unknown. Entry number 347 in District of Bradford. I would welcome any information about Eliza and her mother Ann. Thanks you. Pauline

Pauline, what searches have you done for these various questions?

Have you looked for Eliza and Ann in censuses?

Do you know whom Eliza married, or even whether she survived infancy?

I have searched for Eliza but cannot find her anywhere. I think Ann came from Muker and that her sister married my great grandfather Samuel Cheethan but I do not know what happened to Ann either.
Thanks Pauline

so, related thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1334909

many threads about closely related people often spread the information too thinly

Sarah Prest Parker Cheetham born abt 1835 Ivelet, Muker, Swaledale, Yorkshire, England.

Do you have her in the 1841 or 1851 census?
are her parents old enough to have been grandparents in 1838?

1851 in Muker, Askrigg reg dist

George Parker 55
Mary Parker 48
James Parker 21
Thomas Parker 19
Elizabeth Parker 18
Sarah Parker 17
Nancy Parker 14
Francis Parker 10

It might be a bit of a stretch for Mary to have a daughter who was old enough to have a child 13 years earlier, when Mary would have been 35.

What has led you to the belief that Ann was Sarah's sister?

the household in 1841 in Grinton

James Kilburn 60
Elizabeth Kilburn 60
George Parker 40
Mary Parker 40
Mary Parker 13
Thomas Parker 10
Elizabeth Parker 8
Sarah Parker 6
Nancy Parker 4
Francis Parker 1

I have a couple of copies of birth certificates which are old in them selves . Amongst them is this one of Eliza and mother Ann so she must be related somehow the date on the copy is 1871.

It may well be that mother Ann had married by the time the 1841 census was taken. In which case Eliza may be listed on the census with her stepfather's surname.

Yes thanks but still not sure where Ann came from in the Parker family. She must be related somewhere because I have Eliza's birth certificate.
Pauline

I have been looking for Anns with daugter Eliza and Elizas with mother Ann (regardless of surname) in the 1841 and 1851 censuses who would fit the scenario rootgatherer mentions, of Ann marrying before 1841 or by 1851, but with no good outcome. The eldest child of George and Mary in the 1851 census was born in Thornton so perhaps Ann was, but that has not found anything either.

For instance, an Ann older than 33 maybe would not fit in 1851, if she were the daughter of George and Mary, but it can be hard to do that match in 1841 because of the rounded ages. Ann could appear as being as young as 15 if she was 19 and had Eliza when she was 16 for instance. An Ann with older children also would probably not fit ... unless she married a widower with children ...

She could also have been the daughter of George from an earlier marriage, if the ages of the couple in 1851 are correct, for example. Or she may have been a niece. With no indication of who obtained the birth certificate in 1871 or why ... there are just too many scenarios to try to investigate.

Hi I have found an Ann Parker in the 1861 Census living with Samuel Cheetham and Sarah. She is down as 21 or could be 24 and sister in law.but obviously not the mother of Eliza in 1838!

The 1871 census Ann is not there but there is an Eliza Parker who is 12 and a niece, again not the Eliza but who is she?

Thanks very much for trying. It could have been a daughter of George before he married. I had thought of that scenario but as you say so difficult to find.
Best wishes
Pauline

She could be the Nancy who was 4 in 1841, in fact I would be sure that is who she is. Nancy was a diminutive of Ann and her proper name was likely Ann. One reason I had also considered for thinking that maybe Ann the mother of Eliza was not another sister.