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19 Nov 2013 08:19 |
Looking for decendants or any one researching Joseph Dunn Shipwright at RN Dockyards Portsea Hamp. 1807,may be related to my gggrandfather also Shipwright. Ken Booth
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Catherine
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19 Nov 2013 08:55 |
Do you mean he was born in 1807, or was a shipwright in Portsea in 1807?
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Catherine
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19 Nov 2013 08:58 |
This one ?
1841 England Census about Joseph Dunn Name: Joseph Dunn Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Gender: Male Civil Parish: Portsea Town Hundred: Portsmouth Borough County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: wiltshire St
Occupation: Ship Wt Dock Yd
View Image Registration District: Portsea Island Sub-registration District: Landport and Southern Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 414 Book: 3 Folio: 14 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Dunn 50 Isabella Dunn 50 Amelia Dunn 20 Jane Pucknell 70 Ann Callaway 75
......................NOT born in the county - important to know where and when he was born to find a match.
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19 Nov 2013 09:09 |
Hi Ken
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Prickles.
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ErikaH
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19 Nov 2013 10:33 |
Have you tried researching the possible connection?
Who was your relative?
When and where was he born?
Who were his parents?
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Catherine
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20 Nov 2013 10:58 |
pm received:-
trying to find any connection between Joseph Dunn and John Dunn(gggrandfather) both shipwrights 1807 RN Dockyards. 1841 census shows John b.Portsea, 1851 census shows b. Newcastle upon Tyne.
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If 1841 census is the correct person, then it does state that the couple were not born in the same county as the census.
Checking for a possible marriage I found this one on familysearch which fit with the area you are looking at:-
Joseph Dunn, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Joseph Dunn Spouse's Name: Isabella Parker Event Date: 29 Sep 1806 Event Place: Saint Andrew,Newcastle Upon Tyne,Northumberland,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01610-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 847927, 95010, 95011, 95012, 95013
There's also a marriage for the same couple in January of the same year:-
Joseph Dunn England Marriages, 1538–1973 marriage: 13 January 1806 St. Andrew'S, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England spouse: Isabella Parker
If this is the same couple from the 1841 census then it would mean that Joseph was only 15yrs old when he married. My thinking is that maybe the couple married but were too young so they had to remarry once they had turned 16yr., but that's just a theory?
There may of course be two couples with the same names, so need to look closer into that.
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ErikaH
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20 Nov 2013 11:03 |
In those days, I think you'll find, marriage was legal for boys of 14 , and girls of 12............
It wasn't until the early 20th century that those ages were changed
Minimum age
In 1929, in response to a campaign by the National Union of Societies for Equal Citizenship, Parliament raised the age limit to 16 for both sexes in the Ages of Marriage Act. This is still the minimum age.
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Catherine
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20 Nov 2013 11:14 |
There do look to be two couples with the same name-
1841 England Census about Joseph Dunn Name: Joseph Dunn Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Gender: Male Where born: Durham, England Civil Parish: Easington Hundred: Easington (South Division) County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Mason
Registration District: Easington Sub-registration District: Easington Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 313 Book: 3 Folio: 11 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Dunn 40 Birth Year: abt 1801 Isabella Dunn 40 John Dunn 10 Joseph Dunn 8 Mary Dunn 5 William Dunn 1
.............so marriage could very well be for this couple??
These children look to be for above couple:-
Joseph Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 1823 CHRIST CHURCH, TYNEMOUTH, NORTHUMBERLAND, ENGLAND residence: Tynemouth, Northumberland, England father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella
James Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 17 July 1831 Christ Church, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England residence: Tynemouth, Northumberland, England father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella
Isabella Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 19 August 1827 Houghton-le-Spring, Durham, England residence: Houghton-le-Spring, Durham, England father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella
William Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 12 July 1840 Easington, Durham, England residence: South Hetton, Durham, England father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella
Thomas Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 30 October 1842 Easington, Durham, England residence: South Hetton, Durham, England father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella
John Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 13 February 1831 Houghton-le-Spring, Durham, England residence: Houghton-le-Spring, Durham, England father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella Dunn
Joseph Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 2 February 1829 GOSFORTH,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella
Mary Ann Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 6 November 1836 GOSFORTH,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella
Margaret Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 20 November 1825 Houghton-le-Spring, Durham, England residence: Houghton-le-Spring, Durham, England father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella
Eleanor Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 24 June 1838 SAINT NICHOLAS PARISH REG AND NONCONF , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE, NORTHUMBERLAND, ENGLAND father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella
Edward Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 27 March 1836 Tynemouth, Northumberland, England father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella
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Catherine
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20 Nov 2013 11:23 |
In fact there looks to be 3 couples with the same names:-
1841 England Census about Joseph Dunn Name: Joseph Dunn Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Gender: Male Where born: Northumberland, England Civil Parish: St John Hundred: Tindale (East Division) County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Mason
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration District: St Nicholas Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 848 Book: 1 Folio: 10 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Dunn 40 Isabella Dunn 40 William Dunn 15 Jane Dunn 8 Mary Dunn 6 Eleanor Dunn 3
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Catherine
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20 Nov 2013 11:33 |
Here is the baptism for Amelia, from first 1841 census:- Amelia Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 30 August 1818 SAINT MARYS,PORTSEA,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella
This one is also Portsea:-
Elizabeth Ann Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 3 December 1822 St. John's, Portsea, Hampshire, England residence: Portsea, Hampshire, England father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella Dunn
and this one:-
William Dunn England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) christening: 6 December 1812 Portsea, Hampshire father: Joseph Dunn mother: Isabella Dunn
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Elenor Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 2 January 1809 christening: 26 January 1809 SAINT PETERS DANIEL STREET-WESLEYAN,PORTSEA,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND father: Joseph Dunn mother: Bella
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Catherine
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20 Nov 2013 11:37 |
So, Newcastle marriage is probably for the Newcastle couple and there is also this marriage which is probably for the County Durham family:-
Joseph Dunn England Marriages, 1538–1973 marriage: 11 November 1822 Gateshead,Durham,England spouse: Isabella Graham
............but the only way to proove that is to buy the birth cert. for one of the children to see maiden name of mother!!!! :-S
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Catherine
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21 Nov 2013 09:06 |
For info. this is John Dunn Ken's GGGrandfather:-
1841 England Census about John Dunn Name: John Dunn Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786 Gender: Male Where born: Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Portsea Town Hundred: Portsmouth Borough County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Shipwright
Registration District: Portsea Island Sub-registration District: Portsea Town Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 415 Book: 8 Folio: 25 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age John Dunn 55 Catherine Dunn 55 Mary Dunn 25
.................................................... Baptisms for possible children:-
William Joseph Dunn England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) christening: 2 July 1809 Portsea, Hampshire
William Joseph Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 13 June 1809 christening: 2 July 1809 SAINT PETERS DANIEL STREET-WESLEYAN,PORTSEA,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND father: John Dunn mother: Catherine ..................................................................
Eliza Dunn England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) christening: 26 August 1810 Portsea, Hampshire .............................................
Eleanor Dunn England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) christening: 9 August 1812 Portsea, Hampshire
Ellenor Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 31 May 1812 christening: 9 August 1812 SAINT PETERS DANIEL STREET-WESLEYAN,PORTSEA,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND father: John Dunn mother: Catherine ........................................................
Mary Anne Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 23 June 1814 christening: 17 July 1814 SAINT PETERS DANIEL STREET-WESLEYAN,PORTSEA,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND father: John Dunn mother: Cathrn. ............................................................
There is also one other birth with parents John and Catherine but in County Durham ( may, or may not be same parents), second record gives mother's maiden name as Pinckey.
Anna Dunn England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) christening: 21 June 1817 Bishopwearmouth, Durham
Anna Dunn England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 29 May 1817 christening: 21 June 1817 SAINT MARYS-ROMAN CATHOLIC,BISHOPWEARMOUTH,DURHAM,ENGLAND father: John Dunn mother: Catharine Pinckney .................................................
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Catherine
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21 Nov 2013 09:12 |
Same family in 1851:-
1851 England Census about John Dunn Name: John Dunn Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Catherine Dunn Gender: M (Male) Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne Civil Parish: Portsea Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity Town: Portsea County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: Dean Street
Occupation: Shipwright
Registration District: Portsea Island Sub-registration District: Portsea Town ED, institution, or vessel: 1b Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 137 Piece: 1658 Folio: 45 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age John Dunn 49 - (Age is probably 69) Catherine Dunn 68 - (born Newcastle upon Tyne) Maria Dunn 15 - Charwoman Parish Relief (age looks to be 45?) Ann Dunn 11 - Noted as Seaman's Child (so probably grandaughter) Hellen Dunn 4 Ellen Larcy 40 - Lodger
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Catherine
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24 Nov 2013 15:12 |
pm received:-
Hi Catherine. This is the Joseph Dunn family I am interested in ,family names run through both families, John Dunn and Catherine named their first son William Joseph which makes me think Joseph and John Dunn may be brothers so I need to find their births and marriages. Hampshire marriages are indexed ,I know that John Dunns marriage in not there so could be Newcastle. My apology for being slow to contact5 you but I have health problems in the family so I am short on time to research etc. Ken Booth
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