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John

How do you know his father was still alive at the time of the marriage?

If you are basing that solely on the fact that the certificate does not say so ........... then that is a false assumption!


We have all come across cases where a certificate says "deceased" but the father is well and truly alive. OR where the word "deceased is not there, so we assume that means he is alive .......... but he is in fact dead.


It all really depends on how the church minister asked the question, and how it was answered.

eg,

What is your father's name?

would elicit often only the name .................... a few people might add as an aside, "but he's dead"

What is your father's name, and is he still alive?

would result in a 2-fold response ................... which still might not be true!

John is a little confusing when he says:

'His father was not deceased at the time of his marriage. I know that he was still alive in 1946.'

because I think it was Charles himself who was still alive in 1946, that is who the photograph is of (not of Charles's father), unless I am even more confused than I thought. :-)

father Isaac would have been over 90 in 1946 ... any father of someone born in 1890 would have been at least pushing 80 ...

but yes there is no certainty that the statement that the father was alive at the time of the 1918 marriage was correct ... especially since it seems pretty sure that the father in question was fictitious!

I do think that Mavis has absolutely nailed this Charles Johnson, and now the best thing would be to get the Charles Cecil Stevenson birth certificate ... and I still think that 1948 Charles Johnson death certificate.


ps he came close!

Deaths Mar 1938
JOHNSON Isaac 82 S. Shields 10a 823

It would be ideal if some one knows Charles Johnson's birthday - then if the
Charles Cecil Stevenson's birth cert has the same date we have the right man'

Mavis

Sorry if I was not clear. I know that Charles Johnson jnr. was alive in 1946 as I have the photograph of him taking his daughter to her wedding that year. Also that Charles Johnson snr is not deceased according to his sons marriage certificate. I agree that what is on a certificate might not be correct. According to the living relative Charles jnr was some years older than my aunt, although there was only two years between them on the certificate.

so John what do you think of the person Mavis found, and getting a certificate or two?

the birth certificate is the only way to get more information about that Charles and figure out how he might be related to the Johnson couple.

On his marriage certificate he gives his address as Walker, Newcastle. I have been able to see that he did live there when the first of his children were born. I have never see a Jarrow connection, but it could be possible that his medal was sent to his parents home. Will follow this up.