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20 Nov 2013 12:08 |
Just noticed that a witness to Mary Ann's marriage was Joseph McElveen!
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20 Nov 2013 09:37 |
I'm pretty sure either Mary Ann or Elizabeth married from Collingwood street, I'll check in a minute..... but this death ties in,
Burial: 15 Jul 1849 St John, Liverpool, Lancashire, England John Ewing - Age: 65 yrs Abode: Collingwood St <<<<<<<!!!!!! Buried by: R. W. Wolseley, Curate Register: Burials 1849 - 1852, Page 389, Entry 3112 Source: LDS Film 93826
Edit, Mary Ann's address given on her marriage was Collingwood Street!!! I think we can safely say this is Elizabeth's fathers death.
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20 Nov 2013 09:01 |
Johns baptism confirming his fathers occupation,
Baptism: 15 Oct 1834 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England John Ewings - [Child] of John Ewings & Jane Abode: Gladstone Street Occupation: Baker Baptised by: William Tyrer Off. Minister Register: Baptisms 1834, Page 309, Entry 2470 Source: LDS Film 2045907
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20 Nov 2013 08:58 |
Name: William Ewings Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Nephew Gender: M (Male) Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View Image Registration District: Liverpool Sub-registration District: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 1y Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 19 Piece: 2176 Folio: 766 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Joseph McElveen 65 born Ireland Anne McElveen 63 born Ireland William Ewings 15
Marriage: 28 Jul 1850 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Richard Ewings - Full, Grocer, Bachelor, Burlington St << the McElveens lived there in 1841 & 1851 Mary Anderson - (X), Minor, Spinster, Burlington St Groom's Father: John Ewings, Labourer Bride's Father: John Anderson, Gardener Witness: Joseph McElveen, (X); Ann McElveen, (X) <<<< same as the above 1851 census. Married by Banns by: Tho. Halton M. A. Curate Register: Marriages 1850, Page 242, Entry 484 Source: LDS Film 1656510
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20 Nov 2013 08:43 |
I keep coming back to this, John Snr is listed as not born in County and is a pensioner.
Name: Richard Harwing Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Liverpool Hundred: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
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View Image Registration District: Liverpool Sub-registration District: Howard Street Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 557 Book: 4 Folio: 34 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age John Harwing 40 Mary Ann Harwing 15 Richard Harwing 12 Matilda Harwing 9 John Harwing 5 William Harwing 3 Elizabeth Harwing 1
Richard, Matilda and John would tie in with the correct ages, Mary Ann would be 5 years younger than in 1851 however the 1841 census did round up within 5 years for older family members.
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JoonieCloonie
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20 Nov 2013 01:23 |
and familysearch has other baptisms to the couple
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNHZ-R5J Matilda Ellen Ewing 1831 (so maybe Ellen had died?)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVYG-P5Z John Ewings 1834
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN9D-9NQ (Richard's marriage 1850) (in 1851 he is Ewin)
(Mark just to note that you may have all kinds of information but what is in your head doesn't help other people to do searches so that is why it is posted here :-) )
The question is whether the parents were living in 1841, so at least we know they were living in 1834.
a possible death for John
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JHBK-S4F
Name: John Ewing Gender: Male Burial Date: 15 Jul 1849 Burial Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Age: 65 > Birth Date: 1784 Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B05345-5
oops and another possible and maybe more likely
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZMX-791
Name: John Ewing Gender: Male Burial Date: 26 Feb 1842 Burial Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Age: 46 > Birth Date: 1796 Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B03604-9
and this looks like it could be the death of an infant son in 1841
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JCPJ-B7Q
Name: Thomas James Ewing Gender: Male Burial Date: 05 Sep 1841 Burial Place: Liverpool, Lancaster, England Death Date: 01 Sep 1841 Age: 0 Birth Date: 1841 Father's Name: John Ewing Mother's Name: J. Ewing Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B03072-3
edit - likely the 1796 John and this is likely Jane's death:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NG44-1PY
Name: Jane Ewing Gender: Female Burial Date: 10 Jun 1838 Burial Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Death Date: 06 Jun 1838 Age: 39 > Birth Date: 1799 Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01140-5
so before 1841 ...
Er, except that would mean the Thomas born in 1841 would not be hers !
are John & Jane really another couple anyway since there are not baptisms for the actually known children, Mary Ann and Elizabeth?
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19 Nov 2013 23:31 |
Ummm, maybe something else to look into,
Baptism: 13 Jul 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Ellen Ewings - [Child] of John Ewings & Jane Abode: Atherton Street Occupation: Baker Baptised by: P. Bulmer Curate Register: Baptisms 1825, Page 100, Entry 794 Source: LDS Film 1656419
Baptism: 26 May 1828 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Richard Ewings - [Child] of John Ewings & Jane Abode: Ormond St Occupation: Baker Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1828, Page 291, Entry 2326 Source: LDS Film 1656419
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19 Nov 2013 17:29 |
1851 England Census about Mary Ann Carr Name: Mary Ann Carr Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Thomas Carr Gender: F (Female) Where born: Liverpool Civil Parish: Liverpool Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View Image Registration District: Liverpool Sub-registration District: Mount Pleasant ED, institution, or vessel: 1w Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 20 Piece: 2183 Folio: 171 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Carr 29 Mary Ann Carr 31 Mary Ann Carr 8 Jane Ewin 27 >>> born Ireland, visitor. States she is deaf & dumb
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19 Nov 2013 17:26 |
Just to help with a search,
Name: Mary Ann Ewing Age: Full Age Marriage Date: 19 May 1844 Parish: Liverpool, St Peter Spouse's Name: Thomas Carr Father's Name: John Ewing >>> Baker Spouse Father's Name: Isaac Carr Reference Number: 283 PET/3/31
Witnesses, Joseph McElveen and Mary Ann Johnson
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Mark
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18 Nov 2013 15:15 |
Thank you safc i have the children recorded.
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safc
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18 Nov 2013 15:12 |
1861 Census 8 Records found Piece: RG9/2735 Place: West Derby -Lancashire Enumeration District: 48e Civil Parish: West Derby Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 142 Page: 35 Schedule: 140 Address: Etna St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks BELLARD John Head M M 38 Rope Maker Lancashire - West Derby BELLARD Elizabeth Wife M F 36 Lancashire - West Derby BELLARD Ann Dau - F 17 General Servant Lancashire - West Derby BELLARD Mary Dau - F 11 Lancashire - West Derby BELLARD John Son - M 9 Lancashire - West Derby BELLARD William Son - M 7 Lancashire - West Derby BELLARD Elizabeth Dau - F 5 Lancashire - West Derby BELLARD Thomas Son - M 2 Lancashire - West Derby
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18 Nov 2013 15:03 |
a possibilty ???? Name: John Ewing Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Catherine Dowker Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 01 Mar 1824 Event Place: St. Anne'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Widowed Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01499-5 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1656151 Reference ID: 377
edit : maybe not that John is a sailor inn 1841
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Mark
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18 Nov 2013 15:00 |
Yes i have that and the cert.... hence looking for father in 1841 census
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Maddie
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18 Nov 2013 14:58 |
is this elizabeths marraige ? Name: John Bellard Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Ewing Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 06 Mar 1843 Event Place: St. Peter'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father's Name: John Bellard Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: John Ewing Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01492-2 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1656507 Reference ID: it 6 p 205 no 410
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Mark
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18 Nov 2013 14:43 |
Please could i ask for assistance in looking for a John Ewing. I do not know his wife but he had a daughter Elizabeth born c1826. Possibly originated in Chatham, Kent..
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