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Ellen Tate

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Margo

Margo Report 15 Nov 2013 23:20

Lived in Hebburn/Jarrow and married Henry Brown. I am trying to find her father's name, She was the half sister of my grandmother Margaret Tate and her sister Mary. I cannot trace her father. I would be grateful for some help :-)

patchem

patchem Report 15 Nov 2013 23:30

Could you give a few dates, please?

Do you not know the name of your grandmother's father - surely it would be the same if they are both Tates?

Thank-you

Added:
For ref:
Marriages Dec 1930
Brown Henry Tate S. Shields 10a 1568
Tate Ellen Brown S. Shields 10a 1568

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 15 Nov 2013 23:31

Just to place them:

Marriages Dec 1930 (>99%)
Brown Henry Tate S. Shields 10a 1568
Tate Ellen Brown S. Shields 10a 1568

patchem

patchem Report 15 Nov 2013 23:33

The father's name should be on the marriage certificate.....

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Nov 2013 10:12

How can you not know the father's name if the surname was the same as the half-sisters?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Nov 2013 10:14

1911 census

Person: TATE, Ellen Address: 2 Railway St Hebburn Colly

TATE, Thomas Head Married M 48 1863 Fore Overman Miner Sherburn Hill Durham VIEW
TATE, Mariel Wife Married18 years F 40 1871 Hebburn Colliery Durham VIEW
TATE, Mary Daughter Single F 17 1894 Hebburn Colliery Durham VIEW
TATE, Thomas Son Single M 12 1899 Hebburn Colliery Durham VIEW
TATE, Isaac Son Single M 9 1902 Hebburn Colliery Durham VIEW
TATE, Ellen Daughter Single F 6 1905 Hebburn Colliery Durham

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Nov 2013 10:25

It seems then that Margaret is the daughter of Thomas's first marriage and the other children are from Thomas's second marriage to Mariah/Maria.


..1901 England Census
about Thomas Tate Name: Thomas Tate
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mariah Tate
Gender: Male
Where born: Sherburn, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Hebburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Hebburn St Oswald
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: South Shields
Sub-registration District: Jarrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 194
Piece: 4745
Folio: 48
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Tate 38
Mariah Tate 30
Margaret A Tate 12
Mary Tate 7
Thomas Tate 2



1891 England Census
about Thomas Tate Name: Thomas Tate
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Simon Tate
Gender: Male
Where born: Sherburn; Hill, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Oswalds
Town: Hebburn Colliery
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: South Shields
Sub-registration District: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4169
Folio: 8
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Simon Tate 62
Thomas Tate 28 (Widower)
Margaret A Tate 2





PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Nov 2013 10:32

I'm not seeing a marriage to a "Mariah"

This is the closest i can find.......

??

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
LIDDLE Maria S. Shields 10a 1180
TATE Thomas S. Shields 10a 1180

Possible an error?

Flip

Flip Report 16 Nov 2013 10:47

If the details posted so far are the right family, surely it is your grandmother Margaret who was the half sibling - all children with the same father, but later children with his new wife? There is this marriage:

Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)
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Gillan Catherine South Shields 10a 914
Handyside Margaret Ann S. Shields 10a 914 99%)<<<
LYDON John S. Shields 10a 914
Tate Thomas S.Shields 10a 914 <<<


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TATE Margaret Ann 24 S. Shields 10a 353

Added, don't know what's going wrong with copy paste - but the above is a death reg Sept qtr 1888.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Nov 2013 10:58

There is not a birth registered for a Mariah Liddle or a death registered for a Mariah Tate........which makes me wonder if she just preferred the name Mariah?

??

Births Dec 1871 (>99%)
Liddle Maria S. Shields 10a 694

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Nov 2013 11:09

I see that Thomas Tate died in 1919..

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Thomas Tate Name: Thomas Tate
Birth Date: abt 1863
Date of Registration: Sep 1919
Age at Death: 56
Registration District: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 750

"IF" i am on the right track.........a remarriage for Maria....



..England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Maria Tate Name: Maria Tate
Spouse Name: William Welch
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1921
Registration District: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1666



..England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Maria Welch Name: Maria Welch
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Dec 1952
Age at Death: 81
Registration District: Durham North eastern
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 490

You will need to purchase one of the childrens birth certs to be certain of the mothers maden name.

Prickles.





Flip

Flip Report 16 Nov 2013 11:17

And this birth,

Births Jun 1864 (>99%)
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HANDISIDE Margaret Ann Tynemouth 10b 180

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Nov 2013 11:25

???

..1891 England Census
about Maria Liddle Name: Maria Liddle
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Hebburn, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Oswalds
Town: Hebburn Colliery
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: South Shields
Sub-registration District: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4169
Folio: 28
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Liddle 54
Jane Liddle 55
William Liddle 30
Thomas Liddle 25
Ellen Liddle 23
Mary A Liddle 18
Issac Liddle 48 (Brother...Married) Coal Miner...Thornley Durham
Maria Liddle 19


1881 England Census
about Maria Liddle Name: Maria Liddle
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Hebburn, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 38 Railway St
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: South Shields
Sub-registration District: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5027
Folio: 95
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
George Lister Yates 41
Maria Yates 63
Ellen Champley 10
Isac Liddle 37 (Married)
Maria Liddle 9

Res: 38 Railway Street........living at 36 Railway Street is Brother Thomas and wife Jane who Isaac and Maria are living with in 1891.






Margo

Margo Report 18 Nov 2013 20:45

Once again I would like to thank you all for the info you have given me I am very grateful
Regards
Margo :-)