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Margaret

Margaret Report 15 Nov 2013 15:31

Thank you everyone for your great efforts. I will certainly have a chat with my friend and spell out for her what she needs to do to clarify all this - deifnitely cert purchasing. Thanks again

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Nov 2013 15:25

That would seem unlikely, to say the least

Tell your friend to invest in the birth cert.......

After all, you've got the line now..........at least back to Lavinia's parents.

No-one has been able to establish when - or why - 'Clare' was added. It certainly isn't part of the original name, and there is no marriage to explain it

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 15:24

So, it looks as if for some reason Elizabeth changed her name from Elizabeth Maybury to Lilian Clare between 1906 and 1911 and the two boys combined the surnames.

Margaret

Margaret Report 15 Nov 2013 15:20

Thank you everyone. One thing puzzles me - the birth reg and baptism of Alfred indicate born 1898 and on 1901 census supplied by Reggie young Alfred is 2 - that's fine. However the other two Maybury;'s on the census whom I gather are his parents are named as Alfred and Elizabeth yet on the baptism record it says 'child of Harry Maybury-clare and Lily. Are we to assume that there are in fact TWO Alfred Fearon Maybyury-clares ?

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 15:17

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1897
MAYBURY Alfred E PERKINS Elizabeth Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 15:14

Frederick in 1911 - I did find a marriage for Maybury/Perkins - will look again:


1911 England Census
about Frederick Victor Maybury

Age in 1911:5
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1906
Relation to Head:Grandson
Birth Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Leeds
17 De Lacy Nr Kirkstall Leeds

Mary Ann Perkins 77
Jane Perkins 35
Frederick Victor Maybury 5


Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 15:11

Going back to the other baptism, could this be the father and is he possible the second child referred to in 1911:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1906
MAYBURY Frederick V Toxteth Park Liverpool

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 14:58

Alfred/Irene's marriage from Cheshire bmd:

POWELL Irene Isobel CLARE Alfred Fearon Maybury Poulton, St Luke Wirral C9/4/7

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Nov 2013 14:55

Lord is the man's third forename.............as per the birth registration

freebmd version has been posted here twice.............this is from LancsBMD

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MAYBURY Alfred F L West Derby Municipal Liverpool WDM/105/36

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 14:54

The birth reg has him as Alfred F L; I guess the M in the marriage is for Maybury.

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 14:50

Possible for Alfred, with mother Lillian, in1911:

Name:Alfred Clare
Age in 1911:12
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1899
Relation to Head:Boarder
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Leicester


Name:Lilian Clare
Age in 1911:35
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1876
Relation to Head:Boarder
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Manchester, Lancashire, England

Married 13 years, 2 children, both living - but this has been crossed out

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 15 Nov 2013 14:47

......and where did the 'Lord' come from as in opening post?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Nov 2013 14:44

As he didn't get baptised until the 1920's, he would have given the names himself.................not necessarily accurately.

As by then the surname had been doubled-up........anything is possible

The census may not be the right Alfred............his birth cert would seem to be an essential purchase

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 14:39

Does anybody else think that is odd that on Alfred's baptism his parents are given as Harry and Lily and yet on the census they are Alfred and Elizabeth?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Nov 2013 14:38

1891 census


Person: CONOLLY, Lavinia Address: 148, Granton Road, Everton, Liverpool

CONOLLY, John Head Married M 60 1831 Classical Teacher
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, Anne Wife Married F 50 1841
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, Isabella Daughter Single F 26 1865 Governess
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, Lavinia Daughter Single F 22 1869 Dressmaker
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, William Son Single M 16 1875 Shipping Clerk
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, Edward Son Single M 13 1878 Scholar
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, Corneilus Son M 11 1880 Scholar
Ireland *************


**********Image is Corncilla............the third name of Richard and Lavinia's son

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 14:35

Alfred married as Clare:

Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
Clare Alfred F M Powell Birkenhead 8a 1386

Maybe explains the late baptism?

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 15 Nov 2013 14:29

Alfred ???

From phone book in 1962

Name: A F Maybury-Clare
Address: 602 Kings rd Stretford
Exchange: LONgford
Directory Title: Chester / Liverpool Nov
Publication Year: 1962
Directory County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Page Number: 471

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 15 Nov 2013 14:26

Name: Irene Isobel Maybury-clare
Birth Date: 9 Aug 1903
Date of Registration: Mar 1976
Age at Death: 72
Registration District: Wallasey
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 37
Page: 1389

EDIT****
From The London Gazette

Maybury-Clare Irene Isobel. Address at time of death, 27 Rudgrave Square, Wallesey, Merseyside. Date of death 17th March 1976

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Nov 2013 14:24

In my experience, adding another surname tended to be as a result of being promised a legacy............but that relates only to families which I have researched.

This one may be different................

There can of course be the 'snob' element to it

I used to work with a man surname Smith..............when his son went to uni, the son added a second surname.

Dad's money was good enough.........but not his name

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 14:20

Alfred's birth:


Births Dec 1898 (>99%)
Maybury Alfred Fearon L W. Derby 8b 555

Will check Lancs bmd to see if MMN is given

Edit - no luck on Lancs bmd