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Hi Keelie...........

Thank you for your message

As you can see, I have found my way back to your thread.........

Prickles. . :-)

Thanks to all who have answered my message especially Prickly holly as without her giving me the know how as to answer your messages you would still have no reply. I don't use Genes very much first time I have been on since November most of my work on Ancestry.,, I dont know who George of Westbury is but yes we did know all that and we don't know why for sure ,- but put 2&2 together and thought he could have been under age, as roughly.... no don't know how long as doing this off top of my head, obviously before he went to Africa and india...But he wrote a declaration stating he lied about his name not saying why. But couldnt be important as he stayed untill 1902.... For All the information that has been posted a big thank you although I have this Imformation thank you for finding time to reply.. Still trying to find him after 1906 Thinking he might have returned to the Army as we can't find a death for him, yes did say in one of the reply's 1911 census when Sarah was working in Tooting Workhouse that she was a widow But no death cert. to be found... He was my Great Grandfather...
Zillah

Hi Keelie

With the help of George of Westbury.....it is interesting to read that Thomas originally stated on his attestation papers in 1889 that his name was Thomas Ward!

I will PM Keelie to advise her on how to return to this thread.

Prickles.

Note that Sister Laura was born in Tooting.......so the 1911 i posted is deffinately a possibility

Edit:.......Yes, here is Sarah and sister Laura in 1901........


1901 England Census
about Sarah Elizabeth Gardiner Name: Sarah Elizabeth Gardiner
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Officer
Gender: Female
Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Matthias
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Richmond
Sub-registration District: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: Richmond Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 1
Piece: 677
Folio: 189
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Elizabeth Gardiner 28 (Night Sick Nurse)
Laura Gardiner 31 (Sick Nurse) Tooting Surrey

Looks lioke the Gardiner's in 1881 to help with Sarah's age and place of birth

1881 census transcription details for: 4, Edward Terrace, Wandsworth

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 660
Folio: 37
Page: 68
Reg. District: Wandsworth
Sub District: Wandsworth
Parish: Wandsworth
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Edward Terrace, Wandsworth
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GARDENER, Martin Head Married M 38 1843 Letter Carrier (Csa)? Tottenham, Middlesex
GARDENER, Mary A Wife Married F 36 1845 Tottenham, Middlesex
GARDENER, Laura M Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar Tooting, Surrey
GARDENER, Sarah E Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Streatham, Surrey
GARDENER, Charles Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar Wandsworth, Surrey
GARDENER, Frederick Son Single M 2 1879 Wandsworth, Surrey
NASH, Henry Lodger Single M 41 1840 Gardener (M) Uxbridge, Middlesex

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: GARDINER, Martin
Address: Oskkosh Cottenham Road Worthing

GARDINER, Martin Head Married M 68 1843 Post Office Pensioner Tottenham Middlesex VIEW
GARDINER, Mary Ann Wife Married44 years F 66 1845 Tottenham Middlesex VIEW
GARDINER, Evelyn Berthan Daughter Single F 25 1886 Dressmaker Barnes Surry VIEW
MANING, Thomas Martin Grandson M 8 1903 Fulham Middlesex VIEW
ROBERTS, Kate Josephine Boarder Single F 33 1878 Private Means Harrow Middlesex VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 5324
Reference: RG14PN5324 RG78PN238 RD84 SD1 ED5 SN65
Registration District: East Preston
Sub District: Worthing
Enumeration District: 5
Parish: Worthing
Address: Oskkosh Cottenham Road Worthing
County: Sussex

The census K is referring to - good spot K. Looks like MaNNing on original

1911 census transcription details for: Oskkosh Cottenham Road Worthing

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN5324 RG78PN238 RD84 SD1 ED5 SN65
Reg. District: East Preston
Sub District: Worthing
Parish: Worthing
Enum. District: 5
Address: Oskkosh Cottenham Road Worthing
County: Sussex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
GARDINER, Martin Head Married M 68 1843 Post Office Pensioner Tottenham Middlesex
GARDINER, Mary Ann Wife Married44 years F 66 1845 Tottenham Middlesex
GARDINER, Evelyn Berthan Daughter Single F 25 1886 Dressmaker Barnes Surry
MANING, Thomas Martin Grandson M 8 1903 Fulham Middlesex
ROBERTS, Kate Josephine Boarder Single F 33 1878 Private Means Harrow Middlesex

There is no way of telling if this is your man


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name:Thomas Manning

Year:1918

County or Borough:Islington

Ward or Division/Constituency:Finsbury and Fulham

Street Address:8 NM-

I think Thomas Martin is living with his grandparents Martin and Mary Ann Gardiner in1911 in Worthing

Might this be a possibilty...

??

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: MANNING, Sarah E
Institution: Bermondsey Workhouse Schools, BERMONDSEY WORKHOUSE SCHOOLS

MANNING, Sarah E Servant Widow F 38 1873 House Mother Cottage Homes London Tooting VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 3322
Reference: RG14PN3322 RD39 SD2 ED41 SN9999
Registration District: Croydon
Sub District: South Croydon
Enumeration District: 41
Parish: Croydon
Address: Wickham Road Shirley Croydon
County: Surrey

Do you know what happened to wife Sarah and son Thomas Martin??

Hi keelie and welcome to the boards.

Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)

Gardiner Sarah Elizabeth Richmond 2a 888
Manning Thomas Richmond, S. 2a 888

Hi.
Trying to find more Info. on Thomas Manning B. 1871 on the 11th May in Fulham at Rectory Place. His parents John Manning 1841 & Mary Kendrick 1838 both born in Ireland. It seems Thomas was the youngest of six children 3 girls 3 boys.. In the 1881 Census we have Thomas living at 3, Victoria Rd Fulham. he is now 9yrs old and living with parents and 2 of his siblings.. We next find Thomas 1889 at the age of 18 signing for the army where he served 13 yrs in the buffs in Africa & India.. He was discharged from the army 1902, when he became a Relieving officer at Fulham Work House..He Married a Sarah Gardiner in June 1901 and had a son in August 1902 who was called Thomas Martin Manning at this time he was living at Faraday Mansions Fulham... After this we havent been able to trace him not even to trace a death for him... wondering if he went back to the army perhaps killed in action.. All so frustrating as we have put so much together of his life so it makes it very important as to how it ends.. Any info.. or tips you may be able to give will be gratefully received.
Thanking you Z.