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31 Oct 2013 12:42 |
what I know: Gertrude Abraham b 25/05/1880 Father Joseph Abraham B 1839 - Bedfordshire Mother Annie Royston B 1843 Grantham Lincs I have the 1871 /1881 census for them and their children I know that in 1891 Joseph is no more and Annie is living with a JoSeph Gunson/Glaine from then onwards. My questions are: Did Joseph Abraham die or were they divorced? What about previous Generations? I know Josephs fathers name is Joh but can tfind anything on him and I know that Annies fathers name was William Royston but no more than that Can anyone help? Thanks Kevin :-D
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31 Oct 2013 12:49 |
Kevin, please could you post the 1881 census. I cannot find a Gertrude with those parents
Edit: Ok, found it.
Living in Ecclesfiele
Name:Gertrude Abraham Relationship to Head:Daughter Father:Joseph Abraham - Horse keeper Mother:Annie Abraham Gender:Female Where born:Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Joseph Abraham 42 Annie Abraham 38 Minnie Abraham 15 Louisa Abraham 8 Claude Abraham 6 Bernard Abraham 4 Gertrude Abraham .
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Susan
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31 Oct 2013 12:52 |
1891 England Census about Joseph Abraham Name: Joseph Abraham Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Lughtors Buggard, Bedfordshire, England Civil Parish: Whitechapel St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Whitechapel Sub-registration District: Whitechapel Church ED, institution, or vessel: Charles William Mowl Victoria Home Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 281 Folio: 90 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Abraham 52 <<<<<Bricklayer This loooks like Joseph in 1891 living with 95 other people in a home of some sort
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Kevin
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31 Oct 2013 13:00 |
Thanks Susan- re Joseph Abraham, this is confusing as Annie is recorded after 1891 as 'Gunson' etc and all her children. I did find a death certificate for a Jospeh Abraham in Attercliffe York in 1884 but I am not sure if it is him. i could nt find a marriage between Annie and Joseph Gunson I suppose thi smight provide more proof???
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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31 Oct 2013 13:07 |
do you have their marriage cer?
Name: Annie Royston Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1863 Registration District: Sheffield Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume Number: 9c Page Number: 334 Records on Page: Name Joseph Abraham
Annie Royston
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Kevin
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31 Oct 2013 13:14 |
thanks shirley- yes I have their marriage but dont know if Annie married Joseph Gunson or not and what happended to Joseph Abraham By 1891 Annie and Jospeh G were living in Croydon Surrey Did Joseph A die? Did Annie assume Jospeh G name? I do know that in 1871 Jospeh was living with the Abrahams as a lodger so he obviously knew the family
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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31 Oct 2013 13:15 |
if there's no marriage for Annie to Joseph Gunsen then chances are they didnt marry cos she had just left her hubby and was living with Gunson as man and wife
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Name: Annie Gunson Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1911 Age at Death: 68 Registration District: Croydon Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 176
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31 Oct 2013 13:21 |
1901 census
Name: Gertrude Abraham Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation: Stepdaughter Mother's Name: Annie Glawson Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View Image Registration District: Croydon Sub-registration District: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 58 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 240 Piece: 644 Folio: 48 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Glawson 57 Annie Glawson 58 Louisa Abraham 29 Bernard Abraham 24 Gertrude Abraham 21
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 644; Folio: 48; Page: 33
writing is difficult to read so transcribed as Glawson
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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31 Oct 2013 13:24 |
what status does she give for her dad on her marriage cert
Name: Gertrude Abraham Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1902 Registration District: Croydon Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 429 Records on Page: Name Gertrude Abraham Thomas William Murrell Philip Harry Smith Mary Agnes Wilkinson
mind you that would be as she knew it !!
edit ditto her brother
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Bernard Abraham Name: Bernard Abraham Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1904 Registration District: Croydon Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 631 Records on Page: Name Bernard Abraham Sarah Ann Broughton Gerard Lines Jessie Amelia Weller
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31 Oct 2013 13:30 |
? England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Joseph Gunson Name: Joseph Gunson Birth Date: abt 1844 Date of Registration: Mar 1922 Age at Death: 78 Registration District: Islington Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 1b Page: 407
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Kevin
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31 Oct 2013 13:35 |
In 1902 she put deceased fro Joseph A
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Choccy
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31 Oct 2013 13:49 |
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Deaths Jun 1884 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Abrahams Joseph 43 Sheffield 9c 322
Parish Records Collection 1538-2005 - Burial
First name(s): Joseph Last name ABRAHAMS Date of burial: 30 Apr 1884 Age at death: 43 Calculated year of birth: 1841 Place of burial: Sheffield, Tinsley Dedication: Park Municipal Cemetery County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
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Kevin
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31 Oct 2013 14:04 |
i agree thi s must be him. I have the death certificate and it matches with area
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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31 Oct 2013 14:20 |
Was wondering whether it was the other way round then and it was Joseph Gunson who was already married BUT this looks like him on the 1881 census
1881 census transcription details for: Croyland House, Hertford Road, Edmonton
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 1389 Folio: 86 Page: 14 Reg. District: Edmonton Sub District: Edmonton Parish: Edmonton Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Croyland House, Hertford Road, Edmonton County: Middlesex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SMITH, Daniel Head Married M 55 1826 Coffee House Keeper Watton, Hertfordshire SMITH, Lucy Wife Married F 50 1831 Datchworth, Hertfordshire SMITH, Horace Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar Waterford, Middlesex TOWLER, Francis Lodger Single M 25 1856 Blacksmith N K, Hampshire SMITH, John Lodger Widower M 54 1827 Farm Labourer N K, Cambridgeshire GUNSON, Joseph Lodger Single M 37 1844 Tramcar Driver N K, Yorkshire >>>>>>>>>>>>>
same occ as the 1891 so def him
1891 census transcription details for: 7, Alma Place, Croydon
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 590 Folio: 78 Page: 28 Reg. District: Croydon Sub District: Croydon Parish: Croydon Enum. District: 30 Ecclesiastical District: St Saviour City/Municipal Borough: Croydon Address: 7, Alma Place, Croydon County: Surrey Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born GUNSON, Joseph Head Married M 47 1844 Tram Car Driver>>>>>>>>> Wrangle, Lincolnshire GUNSON, Annie Wife Married F 48 1843 Grantham, Lincolnshire GUNSON, Claud A Son Single M 17 1874 General Labourer Carbrook, Yorkshire GUNSON, Bernard A Son M 14 1877 Scholar Carbrook, Yorkshire GUNSON, Gertrude Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar Hillsborough, Yorkshire
so seems they decided not to get married but lived together
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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31 Oct 2013 14:23 |
1911 census transcription details for: 7 Alma Place Thornton Heath Surrey
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG14PN3360 RG78PN126 RD39 SD3 ED38 SN28 Reg. District: Croydon Sub District: West Croydon Parish: Croydon Enum. District: 38 Address: 7 Alma Place Thornton Heath Surrey County: Surrey Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born GUNSON, Joseph Head Married 25 years M 68 1843 Tramway Motor Man Boston Lincolnshire GUNSON, Annie Wife F 69 1842 Grantham Lincolnshire ABRAHAM, Louisa Stepdaughter F 38 1873 Sheffield Yorkshire
supposedly married 25 years no children . so would guess they had been together since c1886 not long after her hubby died
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Kevin
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31 Oct 2013 14:36 |
yes agree searched the marriage records and nothing so far, looks like it may have been a living together
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Kevin
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28 Aug 2014 18:02 |
thanks ann, i knew about this strand but I was after some specific information from railway sources if at all possible
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