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30 Oct 2013 23:45 |
Thanks. Have the parents etc. Just the deaths of Charles and Matilda that is frustrating me.
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Catherine
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30 Oct 2013 21:55 |
You probably have this, but fault of finding anything else, here it is anyway:-
1861 England Census about Charles Butler Name: Charles Butler Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Son Father's Name: Charles Butler Mother's Name: Esther Mary Butler Gender: Male Where born: St M Westr, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Westminster St John the Evangelist Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: (of father) Porter house of Com (could be commons)? - Telegraphe officer and messenger
Registration District: Westminster Sub-registration District: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 230 Piece: 50 Folio: 119 Page Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age Charles Butler 37 born: West, Middlesex Esther Mary Butler 40 born: Fulham, Middlesex Charles Butler 13 William H Butler 11 Emily Butler 9 James Butler 5 Caroline A Butler 2 Fanny Butler 4 Hannah Butler 77 - Aunt born: Stalbridge, Dorset,
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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Charles Butler Name: Charles Butler Spouse Name: Esther Mary Gill Record Type: Banns Event Date: 20 Oct 1844 Parish: Lambeth St Mary Borough: Lambeth Register Type: Parish Register ...............................................
1871 confirms occupation as Messenger House of Commons:-
1871 England Census about Charles Butter Name: Charles Butter [Charles Butler] Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Esther M Butter Gender: Male Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas County/Island: London Country: England Registration District: Lambeth Sub-registration District: Kennington First ED, institution, or vessel: 44 Household Schedule Number: 18 Piece: 675 Folio: 73 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Charles Butter 48 Esther M Butter 51 James Butter 16 Fanny Butter 15 Caroline Butter 13
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Catherine
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30 Oct 2013 21:28 |
I know you weren't looking for this, but, I've been having a look for Matilda and her first husband in 1871 but can't find anything with them together, so I was wondering if this may be her, with Charles Butler ????
I've checked original and name does look like Butler:-
1871 England Census about Chas Bertles Name: Chas Bertles Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Matilda Bertles Gender: Male Where born: London, Middlesex, England Address: 1 Lillington Street Civil Parish: St John The Evangelist Ecclesiastical parish: St James The Less County/Island: London Country: England Registration District: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration District: St John Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household Schedule Number: 366 Piece: 123 Folio: 115 Page Number: 48 Household Members: Name Age Chas Bertles 24 Matilda Bertles 27 Eadalk Bertles 5
On marriage to Matilda, Charles gives his occupation as Driver and here the occupation of Chas is Shopman. Could be, however, that he was a driver for a shop doing deliveries???
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Ed
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30 Oct 2013 17:53 |
Thanks - much appreciated
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Catherine
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30 Oct 2013 17:38 |
Just to confirm that the death in 1919 is probably not your Matilda:-
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Matilda Sidna Butler Name: Matilda Sidna Butler Probate Date: 7 Jan 1920 Death Date: 30 Nov 1919 Death Place: Middlesex, England Registry: London, England
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Births Sep 1846 (>99%) Butler Matilda Sidna Marylebone 1 220
............so she did not marry.
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Catherine
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30 Oct 2013 17:28 |
Her first marriage:-
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Matilda Sarah Brooks Name: Matilda Sarah Brooks Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Age: 21 Spouse Name: Harry Alfred Tarrant Spouse Age: 21 Occupation: Tent Maker Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 18 Jun 1865 Parish: Chelsea St Jude Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Father Name: Nathaniel Brooks Spouse Father Name: Alfred Tarrant Register Type: Parish Register
.............and her birth?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Matilda Sarah Brooks Name: Matilda Sarah Brooks Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1843 Registration District: Pancras Inferred County: London Volume: 1 Page: 319
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Ed
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30 Oct 2013 17:27 |
Too bad about 1919 death because my Matilda was born Matilda Sarah. Common names are a frustation.
Thanks - slow typer
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Catherine
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30 Oct 2013 17:22 |
Maybe worth noting that Matilda had a middle name:-
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Matilda Sarah Tarrant Name: Matilda Sarah Tarrant Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Age: 30 Noted as:- Widow Address: (looks like) 38 Runhain Street, Walworth Spouse Name: Charles Butler Spouse Age: 29 Occuption: Driver Address: 38 Lorrimore Street Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 3 Jul 1876 Parish: Newington St Mary Borough: Southwark Father Name: Nathaniel Brooks Occupation: Stone Mason Spouse Father Name: Charles Butler Occupation: Messenger Register Type: Parish Register
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KathleenBell
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30 Oct 2013 17:19 |
There are two deaths for the name Matilda Butler in Edmonton in 1919, one of which could be "yours":-
Name: BUTLER, Matilda Registration district: Edmonton County: Middlesex Year of registration: 1919 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 75 Volume no: 3A Page no: 738
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Name: BUTLER, Matilda Registration district: Edmonton County: Middlesex Year of registration: 1919 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 74 Volume no: 3A Page no: 977
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Andrew
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30 Oct 2013 17:14 |
The Mitilada S Butler aged 73 in 1919 in Paddington is actually single in the 1911 census, so I don't think she is 'yours'
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30 Oct 2013 17:10 |
There is this death where the age would be about right:-
Name: BUTLER, Charles Registration district: Wandsworth County: London Year of registration: 1898 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at death: 51 Volume no: 1D Page no: 437
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Andrew
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30 Oct 2013 17:07 |
Possible 1891 in Lambeth
Charles Buthr 43 Matilda Buthr 45
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KathleenBell
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30 Oct 2013 17:06 |
This looks like them in 1891:-
1891 census transcription details for: 38, St Marks Road, Lambeth
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 403 Folio: 98 Page: 60 Reg. District: Lambeth Sub District: Kennington Second Parish: Lambeth Enum. District: 4 Ecclesiastical District: St John the Divine City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 38, St Marks Road, Lambeth County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BUTLER, Charles Head Married M 43 1848 Masons Laborer Westminster, London BUTLER, Matilda Wife Married F 45 1846 Wandsworth, London
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30 Oct 2013 17:00 |
In 1881 Charles and wife Matilda were living in Camberwell, London. Charles born abt 1848 Westminster and Matilda abt 1845 Westminster. Matilda appears to have died 1919 Paddington but in order to find Charles death I need to know where they were living. His name is too common.
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