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Hi Chris Ho,

Thank you so much for that information. Searching the census for Emily in 1871 there were two, one was listed as Emily C. It was the right birth year and parents were as the baptism you found so I felt I had probably found my Emily.

I will have to order her marriage certificate to Henry Guy to confirm fathers name.

Regards

Chris

Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church St. Johns
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 13 Mar 1870
Forename Emily Catherine
Sex F
FatherForename Charles
MotherForename Emily
FatherSurname RUDGE
MotherSurname
Abode Pountney Street
FatherOccupation Japanner

(not sure if any use!, from below)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church St Mark
RegisterNumber 20333
MarriageDate 25 Dec 1867
GroomForename Charles
GroomSurname RUDGE
GroomAge 28
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Japanner
GroomAbode Sweetman Street
BrideForename Emily
BrideSurname PLATT
BrideAge 25
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Sweetman Street
GroomFatherForename Benjamin
GroomFatherSurname RUDGE
GroomFatherOccupation Railway man
BrideFatherForename Samuel
BrideFatherSurname PLATT
BrideFatherOccupation Farmer
WitnessOneForename Henry
WitnessOneSurname JACKSON
WitnessTwoForename Elenor
WitnessTwoSurname RUDGE
Notes Banns; Recorded by Alex B GOULD

Thank you both for your input.

I now believe that this is the correct birth for my Florence

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
Guy Florence Gertrude Wolverhampton 6b 572

I have ordered her marriage certificate to see what she has put for her fathers details. I think I will also order Ernests birth certificate as I will then have mothers maiden name for when I order the Florence Gertrude Guy birth certificate.

Really appreciate your help.

Chris

Looks like you are right Chris, as they are in Derby 1911:

Name: Emily C Rudge
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Mar 1935
Age at Death: 59
Registration District: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 647

Jan

Another Staffs marriage of a Charles Rudge and an Emily, but later than the 1911 above says.:

Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)
JAMES Emily Stourbridge 6c 239
Rudge Charles Stourbridge 6c 239


The marriage posted by Brummiejan might be this couple:

1911 England Census about Emily Rudge
Name: Emily Rudge
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bilston, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Dudley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 25 Abberley Street, Dudley
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 12
Estimated Marriage Year: 1899
Registration District: Dudley
Registration District Number: 372
Sub-registration District: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household Schedule Number: 124
Piece: 17440
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Rudge 35
Emily Rudge 35
Charles Edgar Rudge 9
Lily Louisa Rudge 5

I don't think the marriage I found is the Charles & Emily in your 1911 census, as it looks like that couple are there 1911 also.
So - you might be right!!
Jan

Thanks for your help so far Jan. I have this from LDS site

Ernest William Rudge
christening: 8 April 1903 Boulton, Boulton, Derbyshire, England
father: Charles Frederick Rudge
mother: Emily Catherine Rudge

This confirms that the marriage you found in 1897 isn't my Charles and Emily in 1911

Chris

I've also been told by Florence Gertrude's son that his mother's father was not Charlie Rudge.

Chris

This might be the Charles and Emily in the above 1911 census?:

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
Davies Louisa Emily Wolverhampton 6b 976
Rudge Charles Edward Wolverhampton 6b 976

Thank you Jan. Kath had already put the marriage on but the birth hadn't been put on.

I'm probably off the mark but I'm convinced that Emily Catherine Rudge left her husband Henry and settled with Charles.

Henry and Emily were together in the 1891 census, but for the 1901 he was with a brother and family and in 1911 he was with his son and daughter.

I cannot find a marriage for Charles and Emily and I have just found what I believe to be Henry's death in 1949.

I know that Emily who was with Charles was called Emily Catherine, her granddaughter was named after her.

Chris

Do we have this already?

Births Dec 1869 (>99%)
RUDGE Emily Catherine Wolverhampton 6b 450

Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
GUY Henry Herbert Wolverhampton 6b 841
Hodgkin Mary Jane Wolverhampton 6b 841
JONES Robert Wolverhampton 6b 841
RUDGE Emily Catherine Wolverhampton 6b 841

I'd love to know peoples thoughts on this Emily being the same one as in the 1901 census shown above

1911 10 Chambers St Crewton Derby

RUDGE, Charles Head Married M 36 1875 Labourer Wolverhampton Staffs
RUDGE, Emily Wife Married 12 years F 37 1874 Wolverhampton Staffs
230 RUDGE, Gertrude Daughter F 11 1900 School Wolverhampton Staffs
230 RUDGE, Ernes Son M 8 1903 Derby Derbyshire
230 FELSTEAD, Sarah Boarder Widow F 68 1843 Charwoman Ashbourne Derbyshire
230 SHEPPARD, Tom Boarder Single M 23 1888 Tinsmith Upton Notts

I cannot find a marriage for Charles and Emily.

I can only see Henry Guy and wife Emily Guy together in the 1891 census.

Would really appreciate any thoughts

Edit - Forgot to say the daughter born in 1900 is Florence Gertrude but shown as Gertrude in 1911

Chris

I would say that Emily is a cousin of Charles Rudge, the children are hers so the enumerator has decided they must be 2nd. cousins to Charles but actually they would be 1st. cousins, once removed.

Thank you for the information Kath.

Chris x

They do seem to be Emily's children going by the 1891 and 1911 census so I would agree that it probably means 2nd cousin (although they would actually be 1st cousins once removed).

This looks like Emily's marriage:-

Name: RUDGE, Emily Catherine
Registration district: Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1890
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 841

MarriageFinder: Emily Catherine Rudge married one of the following people:

GUY, Henry Herbert<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
JONES, Robert
HODGKIN, Mary Jane

Then this is Henry and Emily in the 1891 census:-

1891 census transcription details for: Brick Field, Tettenhall

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 2223
Folio: 93
Page: 26
Reg. District: Wolverhampton
Sub District: Tettenhall
Parish: Tettenhall
Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Brick Field, Tettenhall
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

GUY, Henry H Head Married M 24 1867 Bricklayers Laborer
Tettenhall, Staffordshire, Wood
GUY, Emily C Wife Married F 20 1871
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and the 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: 45 Mount Road Tettenhall Wood Near Wolverhampton


National Archive Reference:
RG14PN16981 RG78PN1048 RD369 SD1 ED5 SN83
Reg. District: Wolverhampton
Sub District: Tettenhall
Parish: Tettenhall
Enum. District: 5

Address: 45 Mount Road Tettenhall Wood Near Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

GUY, Henry Head Married M 44 1867 Brick Layers Laberous Tett Wood Staffordshire
GUY, Charles Son Single M 15 1896 Errand Boy Grocer Tett Wood Staffordshire
GUY, Lily Daughter Single F 18 1893 Servant Tett Wood Staffordshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
------------

This is Henry in the 1901 census:-

1901 census transcription details for: Mount Road, Tettenhall

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2667
Folio: 92
Page: 12
Reg. District: Wolverhampton
Sub District: Tettenhall
Parish: Tettenhall
Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Mount Road, Tettenhall
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

GUY, William Head Married M 38 1863 Bricklayer's Labourer
Tettenhall, Staffordshire
GUY, Sarah Wife Married F 33 1868
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire
GUY, Annie E Daughter F 8 1893
Tettenhall, Staffordshire
GUY, Daisy M Daughter F 7 1894
Tettenhall, Staffordshire
GUY, George J Son M 4 1897
Tettenhall, Staffordshire
GUY, Frederick Son M 3 1898
Tettenhall, Staffordshire
GUY, Edwin Brother Married M 46 1855 Bricklayers Labourer
Tettenhall, Staffordshire
GUY, Henry Brother Married M 36 1865 Bricklayers Labourer
Tettenhall, Staffordshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
GUY, Charles Nephew M 5 1896
Tettenhall, Staffordshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

You might be right Jan.

I don't know if they are Emily's children as I was looking for Charles so haven't researched Emily. Thank you for taking the time to reply, much appreciated.

Chris

Are they Emily's children? Might it be 2nd cousin?? Must admit I haven't seen this before either!
Jan

Edit - The first five posts relate to my query regarding the relationship Sec C which has been answered but as my new problem relates to the same people I thought it better to continue with this thread.


I've never come across this before and don't know what it means, could someone please explain what it does mean:

1901 - From FMP

Henwood Lane, Tettenhall

RUDGE, Charles Head Single M 24 1877 Railway Porter
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
GUY, Emily Cousin Married F 31 1870
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
GUY, Lily Sec C Single F 8 1893
Tettenhall Wood, Staffordshire
GUY, Elsie Sec C Single F 7 1894
Tettenhall Wood, Staffordshire
GUY, Florence Sec C Single F 1 1900
Tettenhall Wood, Staffordshire

I've checked the image and it does look like it has been transcribed correctly.

Chris