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Thanks Reggie - quite a lot for me to follow up methinks after we get back from London!

Thanks for all your work Catherine. I'll follow up the leads.

No Raymond Perry with mmn Morris

No Raymond Perry with mmn Jenkins

One with mmn Ward but it is before the above marriage:-
Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
Perry Raymond G Ward Dudley 6b 1558

and one with mmn Williams:-
Births Sep 1934 (>99%)
Perry Raymond Williams Stoke T. 6b 207

...............but nothing to proove that either are correct??

The following are all marriages for John H.Perry to someone called Florence, so all possible marriages up to 1930:-

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
DAY Matthew J Dudley 6c 43
Morris Florence L Dudley 6c 43
PERRY John H Dudley 6c 43
Worton Alice F Dudley 6c 43
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Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
Jenkins Florence L Perry Walsall 6b 1426
Mason Lily Taylor Walsall 6b 1426
PERRY John H Jenkins Walsall 6b 1426
Taylor Richard H H Mason Walsall 6b 1426
.........................................

Marriages Mar 1924 (>99%)
Bebb Sidney W Evans Wolverhampton 6b 835
Evans Gladys D Bebb Wolverhampton 6b 835
PERRY John H Ward Wolverhampton 6b 835
Ward Florence G Perry Wolverhampton 6b 835
.............................................

Marriages Dec 1925 (>99%)
Dent Agnes M Lewis Newport M. 11a 502
LEWIS Cecil C V Dent Newport M. 11a 502
Perry John H Williams Newport M 11a 502
Williams Florence I Perry Newport M 11a 502
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Oh dear, looks as though the John H.Perry in the all the info above is not the correct one after all:-

Dorothy Daniels Foulder married John Henry Perry, not John Hughes Perry:-

Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Dorothy Daniel Foulder
Name: Dorothy Daniel Foulder
Birth Year: abt 1891
Age: 22
Marriage Date: 30 Mar 1913
Parish: Toxteth, St Silas
Spouse's Name: John Henry Perry
Occupation: Builder
Father's Name: Samuel Foulder
Spouse Father's Name: Thomas Perry
Occupation: Builder
Reference Number: 283 SLS/3/5

.............his father was Thomas Perry so looks to be the one from the first 1891 census I found. Will leave the info though for elimination purposes so other helpers will know that it is not correct person.

This would seem to go with the death record:-

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Raymond Daniels Perry
Name: Raymond Daniels Perry
Probate Date: 10 Jul 1943
Death Date: 11 Mar 1943
Death Place: Liverpool, England
Registry: Liverpool, England

Reads:-
Perry Raymond Daniels of 178 Northumberland Street, Liverpool 8 died on or since 11 March 1943 at sea. Aministration Liverpool 10th July to Dorothy Daniels Perry widow.
Effects £123 0s 1d

.................as death record states mother was Dorothy D.Perry, then looks as though the Dorothy mentioned here in the probate was his mother and that she was, at this time widowed so 1939 death for John H.Perry may be correct????

.....................................

This marriage would fit with above:-

Marriages Mar 1913 (>99%)
Foulder Dorothy D Perry Toxteth P. 8b 274
Perry John H Foulder Toxteth P. 8b 274
.........................................

........and another two children to this marriage:-

Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
PERRY Henry D Foulder Toxteth P. 8b 278

Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
Perry Noel D Foulder Toxteth P. 8b 410
.......................................

........also birth for Dorothy, just in case it turns out to be relevant:-

Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
FOULDER Dorothy Daniels Toxteth Park 8b 214
or
Births Mar 1891 (>99%)
Foulder Dorothy Daniels Toxteth Park 8b 214

Are you sure that his wife was called Florence?

I was wondering if this may be relevant?
(just as name of child is Raymond)

UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947 about Raymond Daniel Perry
Name: Raymond Daniel Perry
Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1925
Death Date: 11 Mar 1943
Cemetery: The Tower Hill Memorial Part XII Ota-Raz
Burial Country: England
Father: John H Perry
Mother: Dorothy D Perry
Region or Memorial: Memorial Register

Received the Kings commendation for Brave Conduct
Served on SS Empire Lakeland (South Shields)
Son of John H.Perry and Dorothy D.Perry, of Picton, Ontario, Canada

May also be just a coincidence of course????

I'm OK on my grandmother - even have her very very fragile 1 April 1880 birth certificate as well as her marriage certificate. I'm interested to see the RN link as I have another photo of four men in what I thought was MN uniform but I'll take a closer look. Thanks for your help.

If this is his death:-

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about John H Perry
Name: John H Perry
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Dec 1939
Age at Death: 51
Registration District: Plymouth
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 709

...........then the cetificate may give you his address at the time of death. It should also give you the name of the person who registered the death, who may be his wife, or one of his children?

Is this her marriage?

Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)
Calvert William Francis W. Derby 8b 719
xxxx PERRY Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 719
Smith Elizabeth Lucy W. Derby 8b 719
xxxx Unwin John Thomas W. Derby 8b 719

Hi Catherine
Thank you. The 1891 census is the right man and I have details of his parents. Think I should have been clearer - I'm really trying to track down his marriage and family. Have spent hours on old family photos with few/no names to go on!

When was your grandmother born?

There's a sister Elizabeth in the first 1891 I posted so could that be her?

EDIT:- There's also an Elizabeth in the other one, so you may have to buy the marriage cert. for you grandmother to see who their father was.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about John Hughes Perry
Name: John Hughes Perry
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1888
Registration District: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 262

................birth certificate will give you parents names.

or

1891 England Census about John H Perry
Name: John H Perry
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Perry
Mother's Name: Harriet Perry
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration District: West Derby
Sub-registration District: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2942
Folio: 91
Page Number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Perry 49
Harriet Perry 43
Harriet A Perry 22
Sarah A Perry 17
Thomas G Perry 16
Alice A Perry 14
Richard Perry 13
xxxx Elizabeth Perry 11 ?
Margaret Perry 9
Edith Perry 6
John H Perry 2
George Perry 1

?
1891 England Census about John H Perry
Name: John H Perry
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Perry
Mother's Name: Eliza I Perry
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration District: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration District: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2927
Folio: 115
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Perry 34
Eliza I Perry 34
Eliza A Perry 10
xxxx Elizabeth I Perry 8 ?
Leah Perry 6
John H Perry 2

??

1911 England Census about John Hugh Perry
Name: John Hugh Perry
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Everton, Liverpool, Lancashire
Civil Parish: East Stonehouse
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: 25 Quarry Street, East Stonehouse, Devon
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: stoker
Registration District: East Stonehouse
Registration District Number: 277
Sub-registration District: East Stonehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household Schedule Number: 488
Piece: 13010
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward John Sully 40 Birth Place: St James, Taunton, Somerset
Fanny Jane Sully 42
Kathleen Elizabeth M Sully 17
Florence Amelia Sully 6
Louisa Vera M Sully 1
John Hugh Perry 23 - Stoker in Royal Navy (visitor)

I have a photo sent in first half of 20th century to my grandmother Elizabeth Unwin (nee Perry) from her brother Jack - whom I believe to be John Hughes Perry born Liverpool 1888. I think from the photo that his wife was called Florence and his son Raymond. John may have been living in Preston/Exeter/Plymouth going by the studio details on the photo. Anyone able to help please?