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There is a marriage on freebmd that could be one I am looking for, but not sure.
Could anyone look on Ancestry and see if there are any other details on there(father, witnesses ) that might confirm it as the one I want please?
Richard Matthews married Mary Ann Penny in 1881 St Olave.Sth London.
(My Mary Ann had a father named John)
Thank you very much

On the image, Mary's father is John Smith, engineer - she is a widow aged 58.
Jan

If you want the image sent, let me know. If not yours, let us have some details so others can have a look.
Jan

When was Mary Ann born? This one, who married Richard Matthews, was born in 1828, but there are others shown with father John.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Mary Ann Penny
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Age: 53
Spouse Name: Richard Matthews
Spouse Age: 54
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Dec 1881
Parish: Rotherhithe All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Penny
Spouse Father Name: William Matthews
Register Type: Parish Register

Jan and Christina
Thank you both very much....good I didn't send for the cert,she is not mine!
My Mary Ann was born in 1856 in Bermondsey.
Her parents were John Penny and Mary Ann(nee Brown)
She is with them in 1881 so marriage was later than that.
The only info I know about her is that both she and her husband died young leaving 2 boys who were taken into Barnardo's and sent to Canada, to become jockeys.
I don't know the name of her husband but would like to find out.

Could be this one. What was her father's occupation?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Mary Ann Penny
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Frederick Alfred Thomas
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Dec 1881
Parish: Lambeth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Penny
Spouse Father Name: George Thomas
Register Type: Parish Register

Edit: He's a Tanner in 1881. This John's occupation may read Tanner, but it's a very strange looking T if it is.

Witnesses are George William Jones?? and Margaret Ross.

Address for both is 44 New Street.

Frederick is a Labourer and his father an Engineer.

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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Mary Ann Penny
Name: Mary Ann Penny
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Frederick Alfred Thomas
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Dec 1881
Parish: Lambeth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Penny
Spouse Father Name: George Thomas
Register Type: Parish Register

John above is a joiner.

EDIT actually, might be tanner?

Thank you both for that marriage.That is certainly a possible
Mary Ann's father was a leather tanner by trade
The last address I have for them in 1881 is 29 Camperdown Rd Bermondsey,does the marriage show that?

It must be the right one if father is a tanner.
Address given is 44 New St.
Witnesses George William ?'Inds'? and Margaret ?'Rofs'?
Jan

Jan
Just seen your edit.That makes this one seem very likely.Thank you!

Jan
That looks like the right marriage.Brilliant.
Don't know the witnesses but maybe they will show up somewhere later.
I am so pleased I asked for help!
Thank you very much.
Thank you too Christina

I suspect this is them 1891 - note she is a year older on the marriage cert also. Frederick was recorded as a labourer when he married, but his father was an engineer. On the census he is an engineer's labourer:

1891 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Thomas
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick A Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, London, England

Civil Parish: St George the Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels
County/Island: London

Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration District: Borough Road

Frederick A Thomas 33
Mary Ann Thomas 34
Emila C Thomas 8
William G Thomas 6
Leonard Thomas 4
Norah F Thomas 1

Jan
Thank you very much for the 1891

They're still together in 1911, so not the parents of the Barnado's boys? Married 29 years, 11 children born, only 4 still living.


1911 England Census
Name: Frederick Thomas
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Southwark St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 20 Lant Place, Southwark S E, B R
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: ENGINEERS FITTER
Registration District: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration District: St George the Martyr West
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 1787
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Thomas 53.....Blackfriars
Mary Ann Thomas 54.....Bermondsey
Maud Thomas 21....Southwark
Mary Thomas 14.....Southwark

Christina
Thank you..so not them
I would think it is possibly my Mary Ann though , from all the details birth ,father etc.
Just not the one whose boys were in Barnardos
It is just a thing my nan told me...that her mother's sister died and her boys were sent to Canada by Barnardo's and became jockeys.
There was another sister,but I do have details about her and she only had one son.
Rather puzzling really.
I think I will have to look at the brother's marriages too, in case it was a brother and not a sister!
Thank you for helping