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Hi,

I have searched for a birth record for my 2x great grandmother's brother, found in the 1851 census, recorded as Charles Cooper, born in 1840,41, in Hull, Yorkshire. However, I have not been able to find a birth record for a Charles Cooper. On his marriage certificate, he is known as Matthew Charles Cooper and in the censuses following his marriage, he is known either as Matthew Cooper, or Charles Cooper, with details about birth place, age, occupation and wife's and child's names all matching, so it is definitely the same person. Charles's ( or Matthew's ) widowed mother and younger sister moved to Bradford sometime between 1851 and 1861, so it is assumed that he did too. Neither Matthew Charles Cooper, or Charles Cooper has been found anywhere in the birth records and he must have been born in Hull, as his parents were married there and his sister, Ann, was born there, too, in 1844. All census records show his birthplace as Hull.
Does anyone have any ideas, please,about where else to look, since the Yorkshire bmd and Ancestry.com have no record of his birth in 1840/41, in Hull.
Thanks,
Gillian.

In 1840 there was no penalty for NOT registering a birth so many births were just never registered at all

Roy

Perhaps his birth wasn't registered. Was his siter's birth registered please?

There was no penalty for non registration until about 1875.

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Name: Matthew Cooper
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 07 Mar 1841
Christening Place: Holy Trinity, Hull, York, England
Father's Name: Joseph Cooper
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03315-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 990832
Reference ID: 332

Have you considered this birth

Births Jun 1840
Cooper Male Sculcoates 22 538

Roy

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Name: Jane Cooper
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 08 Jan 1839
Christening Place: Holy Trinity, Hull, York, England
Father's Name: Joseph Cooper
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03315-3
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 990832
Reference ID: 151

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Ann Elizabeth Cooper
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 16 December 1839 Holy Trinity, Hull, York, England
residence: Hull, York, England
father:William Cooper
mother:Jane

Ann Cooper
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 15 May 1837 Holy Trinity, Hull, York, England
residence: Hull, York, England
father:Joseph Cooper
mother:Mary

so what are the names of the parents please?

Is this the 1851 census please?

Name: Charles Cooper
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Cooper
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Hull

Civil Parish: Kingston upon Hull Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Hull
Sub-registration District: Humber
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 275
Piece: 2362
Folio: 83
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Cooper 39
Charles Cooper 10
Ann Cooper 6


And 1841 ?

Name: Charles Cooper
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary
Hundred: Kingston upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration District: Kingston upon Hull
Sub-registration District: Humber
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1230
Book: 1
Folio: 7
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cooper 30
Elizabeth Cooper 25
Charles Cooper 1

For our ref.

Name: Matthew Charles Cooper, Occ. Miner
Birth Year: abt 1840
Age: 25
Marriage or Bann Date: 3 Dec 1865
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's Name: William Cooper, Occ. Sailor
Spouse's Name: Emma Beckitt
Spouse's Father's Name: Beckitt Beckitt


Name: Matthew Charles Cooper, Occ. Dyer
Birth Year: abt 1841
Age: 41
Marriage or Bann Date: 9 Sep 1882
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's Name: William Cooper, Occ. Seaman (Dec'd)
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Taylor
Spouse's Father's Name: William Smith

Hello Gillian and welcome to the Community boards. :-)




I'll let Gillian know that she has replies to her query. :-)

Name: Matthew Charles Cooper
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 01 Mar 1848
Christening Place: HOLY TRINITY,KINGSTON UPON HULL,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Cooper
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C10748-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0990833-5
Reference ID:

Thank you to all who replied to my query about Charles/ Matthew Charles Cooper. Also, sorry for the delay in replying.
Porkiepie ( Roy): I didn't realise that there was no compulsion to register a birth at that time ( 1840), so that could be a reason why no birth record has yet been found.
Also, I had not seen the male birth registered at Sculcoates in June quarter, 1840, so that is worth following up.
rootgatherer: Was unaware that compulsory birth registration didn't come into effect until around 1875 and sister, Ann's birth was registered ( born in 1844) and I have her birth certificate.
The census record you supplied for 1851 is the correct one for Charles, where his mother is a widow. I believe the 1841 record you supplied is the right one, though I have wondered, since, from memory, the father, William's occupation was listed as a policeman, when he was a seaman recorded on Ann's birth certificate in 1844.

The marriage records supplied by you , are both correct, though I hadn't , before, seen the one relating to Matthew Charles 's 2nd marriage.
Safc: The christening record for a Matthew Charles Cooper, with parents, William and Elizabeth, seemed like the right record, until I realised the year was 1848 and Charles/ Matthew Charles , was born in 1840. However, it could still be the right one, if he was christened at the age of 8!! By the way, in which site did you find that record , please?

AnnCardiff: I realise that I should have included names of Charles's sister and parents in my post. However, though the records you supplied were incorrect, due to not knowing the parents' and sister's names, I do appreciate the fact that you took time to search for me..

Thank you , Cynthia for reminding me that I had replies to my query and for informing me how to navigate the site! All help received from everyone mentioned above has been appreciated and thanks to you all.

Gillian. :-)