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That's a good point, Reggie, I hadn't thought of that. I think I have to get that marriage cert.

Annie

As his birth wasn't registered under the name he used when he married, he may not have known who his father was

It would be the best place to start Annie, like Reggie states, this way you have the documentation to back up your findings.

Be interesting to see who the witnesses were too. :-D

Yes, I think we need to do that. At least we'd have his father's name then.

Annie

Annie,

You can buy the marriage certificate from the general registrar.

The information came from certificates which have now, sadly, gone missing - presumably destroyed. The people who could supply information have also gone. Another case of we should have asked more questions while they were still here.

Thanks for your help, everyone.

Annie

Sorry, Reggie, didn't notice the second question. I can't find a birth and I've looked at Harry and Henry just in case.

'Assurances' without documentary proof are worthless..............

Have you looked yourself for birth info?

The image is a bit strange. It looks as though someone has written it and then gone over the writing. It actually says Harry Henry with Henry crossed out. That's her death, Shirley. I've looked up probate records to see if that can help at all but no luck.

Annie

That's Harry's death too. I saw that after I'd posted.

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Name: Harry Jolly
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Dec 1940
Age at Death: 54
Registration District: Norwich Outer
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 288

Name: Alice Flatt
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1889
Registration District: Blything
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 920

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Name: Alice Jolly
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Mar 1962
Age at Death: 73
Registration District: Norwich Outer
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 916

Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: JOLLY, Harry
Registration district: Norwich
County: Norfolk
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 4B
Page no: 285
MarriageFinder: Harry Jolly married one of the following people:

FLATT, Alice



On the actual 1911 census form he did write Henry after Harry but this was crossed through

The second child was born in 1912. It was Alice who was born in Corby, not the son. He was born in Aldershot. The image is a bit confusing.

Annie

1911 census transcription details for: 225 Staines Road Hounslow

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN6826 RG78PN340 RD128 SD1 ED21 SN22
Reg. District: Brentford
Sub District: Isleworth
Parish: Heston
Enum. District: 21
Address: 225 Staines Road Hounslow
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
JOLLY, Harry Head M 23 1888 Groom To Officer Soldier Servant Bungay Nor
JOLLY, Alice Wife Married
4 years F 22 1889 Suffolk
JOLLY, Morris Harry Son M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Corby Northants Aldershot

Sorry everyone. You were all busy while I had a visitor. Give me a minute to read all this.

Annie

Yes to both, Reggie. He was my cousin's grandfather and she's been assured that that was the case.

Annie

Sorry, had a visitor.

No birth for a Harry Jolly in the right place. I wonder if his mother married later.

Andy

For info only

JOLLY, Harry Head M 23 1888 Groom To Officer Soldier Servant Bungay Nor VIEW
JOLLY, Alice Wife Married4 years F 22 1889 Suffolk VIEW
JOLLY, Marris Harry Son M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Corby Northants Aldershot VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 6826

Reference: RG14PN6826 RG78PN340 RD128 SD1 ED21 SN22

Registration District: Brentford

Sub District: Isleworth

Enumeration District: 21

Parish: Heston

Address: 225 Staines Road Hounslow

County: Middlesex

There is this birth of a Stanley Thomas in 1908 but I don't think he's yours. The 1911 census states that they've only had one child.

Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
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Jolly Stanley Thomas Norwich 4b 98

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Jolly Stanley T Flatt Depwade 4b 390

I only see one child on the 1911 census, Morris Harry, aged 9 months.