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Daniel
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13 Oct 2013 22:16 |
Hello all my Great great grandfather (b. circa 1855) moved from Dublin to Manchester some time in the 1860s or 70s. Possibly Liverpool first as his wife Annie Farrell is from there.
I am having trouble tracking him down. I know his fathers name as I have his marraige cert and on irishgenealogy.ie there is 1 possible baptism but I have no idea really if its him.
I was wondering if anyone had come across this problem before and knew how to go about solving it?
If anyone wants deatials I cab give them but I was wondering is there a immigration record that I can check or something. Any help would be really appreciated.
Danny
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MarieCeleste
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13 Oct 2013 22:20 |
Hello Daniel, sadly there are no immigration records between Ireland and England (would make things so much easier if there had been).
Just to double check, is it his birth or marriage certificate that you have?
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Daniel
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13 Oct 2013 22:25 |
Thank you MarieCeleste for such a quick reply and for noticing my mistake yes it is his marraige cert :-) I have it corrected now thanks again
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Sylvia
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13 Oct 2013 23:13 |
could this be their marriage
eBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Joseph McCarthy Name: Joseph McCarthy Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1876 Registration District: Manchester Inferred County: Lancashire Volume Number: 8d Page Number: 445 Records on Page: Name Joseph Collins Annie Farrell Catherine Mannion Joseph McCarthy
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KathleenBell
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13 Oct 2013 23:25 |
Is this Joseph and Annie in the 1881 census? :-
1881 census transcription details for: 2, Purdon St, Manchester
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 3979 Folio: 108 Page: 27 Reg. District: Manchester Sub District: Ancoats Parish: Manchester Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Purdon St, Manchester County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MC CARTHY, Joseph Head Married M 26 1855 Warehouseman Ireland MC CARTHY, Annie Wife Married F 24 1857 Piecer Cotton Mill Liverpool, Lancashire MC CARTHY, Mary J Daughter Single F 3 1878 Manchester, Lancashire MC CARTHY, John Son Single M 2 1879 Manchester, Lancashire MC CARTHY, Charlotte Daughter Single F 0 1881 Manchester, Lancashire PENDLEBURY, Geo Owen Lodger M 29 1852 Cabinet Maker Preston, Lancashire M CARTHY, Owen Geo Lodger Single M 23 1858 Cabinet Maker Ireland
If so this could be Joseph in the 1871 census:-
1871 census transcription details for: Mark Street, Hulme, Manchester
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 4003 Folio: 62 Page: 24 Reg. District: Chorlton Sub District: Hulme Parish: Hulme Enum. District: 53 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: Mark Street, Hulme, Manchester County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MOORE, James Head M 32 1839 MOORE, Mary Wife F 30 1841 MOORE, Elizabeth Daughter F 10 1861 MOORE, Mary Daughter F 8 1863 MOORE, Phillan Daughter F 5 1866 MOORE, George H Son M 0 1871 Lancashire MCCARTHY, John Boarder M 32 1839 Ireland MCCARTHY, Joseph Boarder M 17 1854 Ireland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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KathleenBell
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13 Oct 2013 23:26 |
What is his father's name and occupation on the marriage certificate?
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Daniel
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14 Oct 2013 00:23 |
Hi Kathleen
Thank you so much for your help. I cannot believe that I did not spot that before. His father John McCarthy was a shoe maker in the marraige certificate. I wonder what relation if any the John in the above entry may be to Joseph?
They were married in 1876 and resided in Ancoats Manchester. Joseph was 22.
Thanks so much again.
Danny
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KathleenBell
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14 Oct 2013 00:27 |
The John McCarthy in the 1871 census was a Chair Maker. No occupation is given for Joseph. Perhaps they were brothers?
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Daniel
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14 Oct 2013 01:04 |
maybe i have had a look at it and i amtrying to come at it from a different angle (being his wife annie farrell) now and having trouble that way too. Lots of anns annies etc.
I will let you know what I find out, thanks a million again.
Danny
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14 Oct 2013 07:42 |
Danny....1881 shows an Owen Geo.McCarthy living with Joseph.....probably another brother. There is a marriage of an Owen McCarthy to a Catherine Donnell Reg Man. March Quarter 1882... May be worth checking it out.
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Daniel
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17 Oct 2013 10:16 |
Thanks a mil for your help. I done a bit of digging and found this:
Its a possible baptism cert for a joseph McCarhty and his fathers name matches as does city of birth. More importantly his mother is Jane MOODY, this is the family name that the 17 year old Joseph is living with in Dublin. As long as I can confirm that this 17 yo Joseph is the same as the one married to Annie in 1881 census I would be 99% sure this is his cert:
Name JOSEPH MC CARTHY Date of Birth 28 May 1854 Address 6 JERVIS S Father JOHN MC CARTHY Mother JANE MOODY Further details in the record Sponsor 1 ELISA MARLOW Priest J MULLIGAN About the record Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename N/R 92 1388 DU-RC-BA-634672 st.marys_pro-cathedral_mf_1826-1858_ba_0410
Please let me know what you all think and thank you again for all the help :-)
Danny
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Daniel
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17 Oct 2013 11:50 |
Seriously jumping the gun there sorry just realised the name is moore not moody!!!
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Potty
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17 Oct 2013 12:19 |
Daniel, where did that baptism take place? If I have found the right couple in 1911, Joseph gives his POB as Dublin; Annie's is Swansea.
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Daniel
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17 Oct 2013 13:11 |
Hi Potty / And Everyone
I have so much info now after a morning digging:
I will show you what I have:
First is the Baptism Cert I think may be Josephs? ___________________________________________
Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL
Baptism of JOSEPH MC CARTHY of 6 JERVIS S on 9 June 1854
Name JOSEPH MC CARTHY Date of Birth 28 May 1854 Address 6 JERVIS S Father JOHN MC CARTHY Mother JANE MOODY Further details in the record Sponsor 1 ELISA MARLOW Priest J MULLIGAN
Courtesy of irishgenealogy.ie ______________________________________________
Then there is this which is for a McCarthy in the same house/building who has a very simillar name to a man in Josephs residence in 1881. ______________________________________________
Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL
Baptism of EUGENIUS OWEN GESTON MC CARTHY of 6 JERVIS ST on 15 June 1857
Name EUGENIUS OWEN GESTON MC CARTHY Date of Birth 1 June 1857 Address 6 JERVIS ST Father JOANNES MC CARTHY Mother JOANNA MOODY Further details in the record Sponsor 1 JOANNA GRIFFIN Priest THOMAS J POWER And here is the census recoed from 1881
Name: Owen Geo. M Carthy Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relationship to Head: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 2 Purdon St
View Image Occupation: Cabinet Maker Registration District: Manchester Sub-registration District: Ancoats ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3979 Folio: 108 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Mc Carthy 26 Annie Mc Carthy 24 Mary J. Mc Carthy 3 John Mc Carthy 2 Charlotte Mc Carthy Geo. (Owen) Pendlebury 29 Owen Geo. M Carthy 23 ________________________________________
Just incase this is the same family for the next 3 census:
1891
Name: Joseph Mc Carthy Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ainnie Mc Carthy Gender: Male Where born: Dublin, Ireland Civil Parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Manchester Sub-registration District: Ancoats ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3231 Folio: 10 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Mc Carthy 36 Ainnie Mc Carthy 34 Mary Jane Mc Carthy 13 John Mc Carthy 12 Annie Mc Carthy 2 Lizzie Mc Carthy 0
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Josep McCarthy Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Annie McCarthy Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: South Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme St John the Baptist County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Chorlton Sub-registration District: Chorlton upon Medlock ED, institution, or vessel: 50 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 18 Piece: 3699 Folio: 26 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Josep McCarthy 46 Annie McCarthy 44 Mary Jan McCarthy 23 John McCarthy 22 Annie McCarthy 12 Elizabeth McCarthy 10 John McCarthy 4 Edward McCarthy 20
1911
Name: Joseph McCarthy Age in 1911: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland Civil Parish: South Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 59 Greenheys Lane Manchester Marital Status: Married Occupation: Leather Warehouseman Registration District: Chorlton Registration District Number: 464 Sub-registration District: Chorlton upon Medlock ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Piece: 23852 Household Members: Name Age Joseph McCarthy 56 Annie McCarthy 54 Mary Jane McCarthy 33 John McCarthy 32 Annie McCarthy 22 Elizebth McCarthy 20 James McCarthy 14
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Also you can see in an above entry for a possible Joseph in 1871.
My Great Great Grandparents were Married in 1876 and I have the certificate if anybody needs to know any info that.
I guess what I am asking if anyone can help is to prove the link between the baptisms in Dublin and the census records in Manchester.
Any help as always is greatly appreciated and thank you all very much for everything so far :-)
Off to work now :-)
Danny
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Potty
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17 Oct 2013 14:40 |
Wondered if a Dublin Directory might help. Found 6 Jervis Street on this site:
http://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/90.php
but 6 Jervis St is just shown as a tenement, no names or trades
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Potty
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17 Oct 2013 14:43 |
There does appear to be a surviving 1851 Dublin census - sorry don't have time at the moment to search for it but Google does bring up some hits. There is also mention of an 1861.
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ErikaH
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3 Apr 2014 08:34 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1339065
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mgnv
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3 Apr 2014 09:45 |
MC is correct - there are no such immigration records. Actually, from a technical point of view, it's hard to immigrate into the UK when you're already a resident of the UK.
Who was Annie's dad, and what did she say was his occupation?
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Daniel
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3 Apr 2014 21:44 |
They were married on the 2nd of Dec 1876, Micheal Farrell was deceased at the time but his prof was labourer. Josephs Father was John and he was a shoe maker.
I am just trying to prove the link between Dublin and Manchester and I think the key is Owen Geston McCarthy as in the posts above?
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