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Alex
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13 Oct 2013 20:26 |
Born Axminster Somerset 1895. Died possibly in Southampton 1972. Charles Chetwynd-Stuart. Are there any living relatives known, I have tried a search and the only other person who has him is on my tree in any case.
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Catherine
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13 Oct 2013 20:31 |
Someone on ancestry has him:-
Birth: 19 Jan 1895 - Somerset, England Marriage: 9 Nov 1917 - Lyndhurst Death: 23 May 1972 - Southampton Parents: Charles Stuart, Alice Susannah (Mother) Spouse: Violet Theresa Stanley
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Catherine
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13 Oct 2013 20:33 |
.......;which would mean that this is him:-
1901 England Census about Charles C Stuart Name: Charles C Stuart Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895 Relation: Son Father's Name: Charles Stuart Mother's Name: Alice S Stuart Gender: Male Where born: Up Hill, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Netley Marsh Ecclesiastical parish: Netley St Matthew Town: Netley Marsh County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: New Forest Sub-registration District: Eling ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 103 Piece: 1052 Folio: 141 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Charles Stuart 34 Alice S Stuart 38 Harold Stuart 7 Charles C Stuart 6 Juliet M Stuart 4 William H Sharpe 29 Evelyn B Sharpe 30
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Catherine
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13 Oct 2013 20:34 |
You need to change your heading as you have mistyped the date 1895 not 1985 :-)
Are you looking for info, or just contacts?
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Catherine
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13 Oct 2013 20:40 |
Just realised that the tree on ancestry looks to be yours :-S
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MarieCeleste
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13 Oct 2013 21:53 |
Hello Alex, welcome to the boards.
What is it you're trying to find out about Charles?
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Alex
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13 Oct 2013 22:13 |
Oops trust me to get the date wrong. Now been sorted.
I'm trying to ascertain is when he was divorced from Violet Theresa Stanley (Henchcliffe) He is credited as being my maternal grandfather, but there are some discrepancies. I have a feeling he was off the scene beforehand.
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MarieCeleste
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13 Oct 2013 22:47 |
Nothing coming up on National Archives divorce records, but they only go to 1937.
His service records on National Archives have his dob as 19 January 1894 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details/D7254796?descriptiontype=Full&ref=ADM+339/1/36964
This says 01 July 1894 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7788829
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MarieCeleste
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13 Oct 2013 22:50 |
For some strange reason, Merchant Seaman records alway seem to make the men 1 or 2 years older than they were:
Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941
Last name: STUART First names: Chas Chetwynd Age: Day of birth: 19 Month of birth: January Year of birth: 1892 Place of birth: Weston Super Mare County/country of birth: Somersetshire Card type: CR10 Discharge number: 691052 Identity certificate no.: 415337 Series: BT350 Date range: 1918-1921
There's a photo on the record which I'll send if you want.
(I know it's not addressing the divorce but may be interesting if you don't already have it).
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Alex
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13 Oct 2013 23:28 |
You have both been very good. Certainly confirms we have the same guy.
I have him as a possible Maternal grandfather and my mother was born 1925. There are one or two things that suggest might not be the case, and of course if there was a divorce, no reason why it couldn't have happened long after her conception and birth.
I did trawl the National Archive record myself, and found nothing, but he did remarry in and around 1947, and Violet Stanley was still alive at the time. I assume therefore they may have divorced near that time to allow him to cement his relationship in 1947.
I think the answer will lie with someone out there who comes up as a result of that marriage, but I'm getting nowhere.
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2013 09:52 |
Presumably, no father was named on your mother's birth cert..............who was her mother?
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Alex
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14 Oct 2013 11:21 |
Reggie.
You are right, no father on my Mother's birth certificate which tells me a lot; yet on her marriage certificate in 1949 he was listed as Charles C Stuart Deceased, but he actually died in 1972. Her mother was Violet Theresa Henchcliffe, formerly Stanley. I have her family details going back another 3 generations. Violet's father was the founder of Coventry City FC (Willy Stanley)
My mother died aged 36 in 1961 when I was 11 & I was brought up by my fathers family & they wouldn't tell me anything about my maternal side despite me asking.
When I was young probably aged 8 or 9 (before she died) I asked both parents about grandparents on Mothers side, and was told they were both dead, so it came as shock to me to discover a couple of years ago Charles C Stuart was still around until 1972.
From the confusion on the paperwork I suspect although he may have been the legal spouse of Violet, he may not have been my Mother's father, but was added to her marriage certificate for "image" purposes. Meaning "new bride, best make it look good and give her some legitimacy"
One thing I have worked out and that is Violet was a bit of a lass in her time. We know of 3 children, and there are stories of possibly two others one of whom may have been abducted. There were 3 accredited men in her life and another who has been suggested.
I guess my best course of action is to try & find out about any divorce as he did re-marry and perhaps there will be another named person cited as co-respondent being grounds for divorce.
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2013 15:20 |
As there was no father named on the birth cert, you are unlikely ever to know his identity........no matter what info you find out about Charles.
The survival rate of divorce case files is: 1858-1927: almost 100% 1928-1937: 80% After 1937 : less than 0.2%
Marriages Dec 1917 (>99%) Henchcliffe Violet T Stuart N. Forest 2b 1816 Stuart Charles C Henchcliffe N.Forest 2b 1816
Where was the alleged re-marriage for Charles?
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2013 15:23 |
Death Name: STUART, Charles Chetwynd Registration district: Southampton County: Hampshire Year of registration: 1972 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Date of Birth:19 January 1895 Volume no: 6B Page no: 1764
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2013 15:28 |
Marriages Dec 1941 (>99%)
Hill Thomas F Stuart Southampton 2c 167 Stuart Violet T Hill Southampton 2c 167
As Violet was married to Stuart when your mother was born, it is clear that Stuart was NOT her father.....................the fact that the father was not named makes that certain.
When a married woman has a child and registers its birth, the assumption is always that her husband fathered him/her, unless the woman states otherwise.
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Alex
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14 Oct 2013 17:35 |
Reggie.
Thanks thus far, you are very thorough. I happen to have all certificates for Charles, and can confirm every detail you have provided is indeed correct.
I agree with your point that he most likely was not the Father of my Mother, which is reinforced by the no mention being made of him at all by my family. Also My Father would not let me have any certificates for my mother until after his death, no doubt because of me questioning the legitimacy. So I'm under no illusions.
Violet re-married in 1941 to Thomas Hill, and subsequently Charles married someone called Daisy Nellie ???? No previous/maiden name as I got these off his death certificate.
It was a long shot posting this thread, but as I said, someone may have known about the divorce, but as you say an almost impossible task. If there was a living relative, perhaps it was passed down through his family what a "tart" Violet was, and perhaps a name of someone like a lodger might have come to light.
Shame really as out of four Grandparents I have a lot of information on three, but it looks like one quarter may remain blank.
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