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Terence
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9 Oct 2013 17:43 |
Thank you for the massive response. I now have oceans of information to check over.
Regards all
Terry
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9 Oct 2013 17:38 |
This is the only other marriage I am seeing with father Timothy. It is probably the Caroline who witnessed Mary Ann's wedding.
Name: Caroline Bryan Gender: Female Marriage Date: 6 Aug 1855 Marriage Age: Full Marriage Place: Bordesley, St Andrew, Warwickshire, England Spouse: Richard Allen Spouse Gender: Male Spouse Marriage Age: Full Father: Timothy Bryan <<<<<<Chemist Spouse's Father: Jawl Allen Reference Number: DRO 63 Archive Roll: 685
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9 Oct 2013 17:16 |
1851
Name: Thomas Allwood Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Mary Allwood Gender: M (Male) Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Aston County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration District: Aston Sub-registration District: Duddeston ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 60 Piece: 2061 Folio: 579 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Mary Allwood 62 Thomas Allwood 25 George Allwood 18
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Name: Thomas Allwood Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Aston Hundred: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View Image Registration District: Aston Sub-registration District: Duddeston and Nechells Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1149 Book: 11 Folio: 10 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Mary Allwood 55 Matilda Allwood 20 Charles Allwood 18 Thomas Allwood 15 George Allwood 7
Not seeing Mary Ann Bryan in earlier census but I wonder if this is Caroline who was a witness at the marriage.
1851
Name: Caroline Bryan Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Servant Gender: F (Female) Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Aston County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address:
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Disability: View Image Registration District: Aston Sub-registration District: Duddeston ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 87 Piece: 2061 Folio: 611 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age William Arrowsmith 64 Rebecca Arrowsmith 68 Ann Small 65 Caroline Bryan 14
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9 Oct 2013 16:54 |
Name: Caroline Allwood Gender: Female Marriage Date: 29 Feb 1880 Marriage Age: Minor Marriage Place: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire, England Spouse: Henry Cole Spouse Gender: Male Spouse Marriage Age: Full Father: Thomas Allwood, Publican Spouse's Father: Hann Cole Reference Number: DRO 53 Archive Roll: M150
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Name: Thomas George Allwood, Polisher Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1826 Marriage Date: 18 Jun 1855 Marriage Age: 29 Marriage Place: Aston, St Peter and St Paul, Warwickshire, England Spouse: Mary Ann Bryan Spouse Gender: Female Spouse Marriage Age: 23 Father: Thomas Allwood, Coffin Furniture Maker Spouse's Father: Timothy Bryan, Labourer Reference Number: DRO 41 Archive Roll: M88
Witnesses Emanuel Young and Caroline Bryan
1861
Name: Thomas Allwood Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Allwood Mother's Name: Mary Allwood Gender: Male Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Aston Sub-registration District: Duddeston ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 60 Piece: 2175 Folio: 69 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Allwood 35, Spoon Polisher Mary Allwood 26 Mary Allwood 78, Mother Mary A Allwood 4
1871
Name: Thomas Allwood Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St James Town: Duddeston cum Nechells County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration District: Aston Sub-registration District: Duddeston ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household Schedule Number: 131 Piece: 3142 Folio: 82 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Allwood 43 <<< PUBLICAN Maryann Allwood 15 Martha Terry 50
Name: Thomas George Allwood Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1878 Age at Death: 52 Registration District: Aston Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 217
Name: Mary Ann Allwood Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1865 Registration District: Aston Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 155
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Astra
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9 Oct 2013 10:15 |
Drat...............not the right marriage. Back to the drawing board. Thanks safc for clearing that up.
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Terence
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9 Oct 2013 10:08 |
Many thanks to everyone. There is a lot there to consider.
Terry Cook
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9 Oct 2013 10:03 |
Caroline Cole, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 " Name: John Cox Birth Date: 1846 Birthplace: Age: 46 Spouse's Name: Caroline Cole Spouse's Birth Date: 1863 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 29 Event Date: 28 Nov 1892 Event Place: St.Thomas Parish, Birmingham, Warwick, England Father's Name: John Cox Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Cole Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00765-5 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1545515 Reference ID: p. 137, # 274
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9 Oct 2013 09:41 |
Back again.
Caroline's date of birth is noted as 1863 - 1864 on every census so this looks like her birth.
Births Dec 1863 (>99%) ALLWOOD Caroline Aston 6d 282
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Astra
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9 Oct 2013 07:41 |
William Hilditch married Caroline Allwood in 1836
Name: William Hilditch Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Caroline Allwood Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 26 May 1836 Event Place: Edgbaston,Warwick,England
Now I really have to go.
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9 Oct 2013 07:34 |
The 1911 census clearly says 2 children born and two living..... so I wonder why Maud is not counted?
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Astra
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9 Oct 2013 07:29 |
Looking for Charles (maybe her brother born 1847) he is unfortunately with the Hilditch family in 1861 and I can't find him in 1851
1861 census transcription details for: 183, Lawley Street, Aston, Birmingham
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 2175 Folio: 68 Page: 10 Reg. District: Aston Sub District: 2 Duddeston Parish: Aston Enum. District: 4 Ecclesiastical District: St Jamess City/Municipal Borough: Birmingham Address: 183, Lawley Street, Aston, Birmingham County: Warwickshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HILDITCH, William Head Married M 45 1816 Gold Beater And Retail Brewer Lancashire Cheshire HILDITCH, Caroline Wife Married F 43 1818 Aston, Warwickshire ALLWOOD, Charles Nephew M 14 1847 Gun Finisher Aston, Warwickshire SWEENEY, Mary Servant Unmarried F 17 1844 House Servant Ireland HAINES, Mary Visitor Unmarried F 35 1826 Cook Domestic Servant Birmingham, Warwickshire
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9 Oct 2013 07:19 |
Caroline Allwood married Henry Cole in 1880
Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%) ALLWOOD Caroline King's Norton 6c 546 COLE Henry King's N. 6c 546
This is her in 1871
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 3143 Folio: 70 Page: 39 Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Duddeston Parish: Aston Enum. District: 7 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Birmingham Address: Brook Street, Great Public House (White Hart), Aston, Birmingham County: Warwickshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born HILDITCH, William Head M 55 1816 Cheshire HILDITCH, Caroline Wife F 53 1818 Warwickshire ALLWOOD, Caroline Niece F 8 1863 Warwickshire ALLWOOD, Charles Nephew M 24 1847 Warwickshire SOWARD, Margaret Servant F 18 1853 Warwickshire
and in 1881
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 3028 Folio: 91 Page: 34 Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Duddeston Parish: Aston Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 145, Dollman St, Aston County: Warwickshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HILDITCH, Caroline Head Widow F 64 1817 Provision Shop Ke Birmingham, Warwickshire COLE, Caroline Niece Married F 17 1864 Provision Shop Ke Birmingham, Warwickshire
She married John Cox in 1892
Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%) Cole Caroline Birmingham 6d 287 Cox John Birmingham 6d 287
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9 Oct 2013 07:03 |
His age has changed considerably by 1911
1911 census transcription details for: 24 Cato Street Saltley Birmingham
National Archive Reference: RG14PN18241 RG78PN1101 RD385 SD3 ED11 SN115 Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Duddeston Parish: Aston Enum. District: 11 Address: 24 Cato Street Saltley Birmingham County: Warwickshire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born COX, John Head Married M 73 1838 Hawker Birming St Martins COX, Caroline Wife Married 26 years F 49 1862 Birmingham Ashted COX, Percy Son Single M 25 1886 Cycle Polisher Birmingham Icho COX, Florance May Daughter Single F 17 1894 Birmingham Ashted FOX, Thomas Boarder Married M 35 1876 Brass Finisher Fizerbad India FOX, Harriett Boarder Married F 25 1886 Brass Polisher Birmingham
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9 Oct 2013 06:39 |
This looks like the same family in 1891
1891 Census
Name: John Cox Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Caroline Cox Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham Civil Parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration District: Aston Sub-registration District: Duddeston
John Cox 40 Hawker of Vegetables Caroline Cox 27 b.ca 1864, Birmingham Percey Cox 5 b.ca 1886, Birmingham Maud Cox 7 b.ca 1884, Birmingham <<<<<<<< 7 months old on image!
Address:- 104 Lord Street
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9 Oct 2013 05:33 |
For OUR reference, is this the family in 1901???
1901 Census
Name: John Cox Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Caroline Cox Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham Civil Parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration District: Aston Sub-registration District: Duddeston
John Cox 50 Hawker Caroline Cox 38 b.ca 1863, Birmingham Percy Cox 15 b.ca 1886, Birmingham Maud E Cox 10 b.ca 1891, Birmingham Florence M Cox 7 b.ca 1894, Birmingham
Address:- 205 Francis Street
Though I would point out that this John Cox is NOT as old as you say your guy was!!
This one is 50 in 1901, which means he would have been about 67 if he died in 1918.
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Terence
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9 Oct 2013 05:23 |
John Cox was a greengrocer/hawker in the Aston/Duddeston area of Birmingham about 1870 x 1900. I have his death certificate & he died 1918 aged 80yrs in Cato St. I'm trying to find details of his wife - Caroline. (nee Allwood). She was much younger born: circa 1851. They had 3 children Percy, Maude & Florence & I have their birth certificates.
I cannot find any birth, marriage or death for Caroline. Any help would be appreciated.
Terry Cook
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