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Name: Frederick H Johnson
Birth Date: abt 1876
Age: 60
Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date: 1 Jun 1936
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Natal
[Port Elizabeth]
[Cape Town]
Ship Name: Stirling Castle
Search Ship Database: View the 'Stirling Castle' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 144570

Name: John White

Spouse's Name: Jane Drysdale

Event Date: 15 Apr 1875
Event Place: Kirkcolm,Wigtown,Scotland

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11887-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516
Reference ID:

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1861

Name: Jane Drysdale
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William Drysdale
Mother's Name: Elisabeth Drysdale
Gender: Female
Where born: Kirkcolm
Registration number: 887
Registration District: Kirkcolm
Civil Parish: Kirkcolm
County: Wigtownshire
Address: Balwhirrie Cot House
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 10
Household Schedule Number: 10
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1861_148
Household Members:
Name Age
William Drysdale 28
Elisabeth Drysdale 30
John Drysdale 10
Jane Drysdale 8 <<<<<<
Henry Drysdale 6
Elisabeth Drysdale 4
William Drysdale 1


1881

Name: William Drysdale
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth Drysdale
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration number: 887
Registration District: Kirkcolm
Civil Parish: Kirkcolm
County: Wigtownshire
Address: Balgown Cottage
Occupation: Ag Lab
ED: 5
Household Schedule Number: 2
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_333
Household Members:
Name Age
William Drysdale 50
Elizabeth Drysdale 49
Elizabeth Drysdale 21
Susan Drysdale 15
Jessie Drysdale 13
Robert Drysdale 11
Thomas Drysdale 9
Charles Drysdale 5 <<<<<<<<
Jane Drysdale 3
Ann McCulloch 46
Adam McCulloch 6

Although the Jane listed in 1881 as daughter, she seems to be listed as Grandaughter in 1891.

This would seem to be the Jane with a brother Charles in 1881; if it is, she cannot be Elizabeth's mother as she is married by 1881:


1881 Scotland Census
Name:Jane Drysdale
Age:24
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1857
Relationship:Daughter
Father's Name:Charles Drysdale
Mother's Name:Margaret Drysdale
Gender:Female
Where born:Kirkmaiden, Wigtownshire
Registration number:890

Registration District:Kirkmaiden

Civil Parish:Kirkmaiden

County:Wigtownshire

Address:Mount Sallie

Occupation:Dressmaker

Charles Drysdale 55
Margaret Drysdale 50
Jane Drysdale 24
Thomas Drysdale 20
Agnes Davidson 64

Thank you for the extra info. I see Potty has been on the case. Following on from Potty's info.

Elizabeth 1891

MCCLYMONT, Alexander Head Married M 58 1833 Farmer Colmonell, Ayrshire
MCCLYMONT, Elizabeth Wife Married F 53 1838 Colmonell, Ayrshire
WHITE, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 19 1872 General Serv Kirkcolm, Wigtownshire
MCDONALD, Robert Servant M 16 1875 Farm Serv Penninghame, Wigtownshire
YATES, William Servant M 16 1875 Farm Serv Penninghame, Wigtownshire
Piece: 895
Folio: 9
Page: 1
Registration District: Penninghame
Civil Parish: Penninghame
Municipal Borough:
Address: Barraer, Penninghame
County: Wigtownshire

1901
MELVILLE, William Head Married M 50 1851 Civil Engineer Dunoon, Argyllshire
MELVILLE, Jessie T Wife Married F 49 1852 Glasgow, Lanarkshire MELVILLE, Margaret M Daughter Single F 22 1879 Cadden, Lanarkshire
MELVILLE, John W Son Single M 19 1882 Apprentice Civil Engineer Kirkintilloch, Dumbartonshire
MELVILLE JR, William Son M 17 1884 Apprentice Accountant Kirkintilloch, Dumbartonshire
MELVILLE, Robert A Son M 15 1886 Scholar Cadder, Lanarkshire
MELVILLE, Patrick S Son M 12 1889 Scholar Cadder, Lanarkshire
MELVILLE, Annie L Daughter F 9 1892 Scholar Govanhill, Lanarkshire
WHITE, Bessie Servant Single F 29 1872 Cook (Domestic) Kirkcolm, Wigtownshire
MACKENZIE, Anna Servant Single F 28 1873 Housemaid (Domestic) Dingwall, Rossshire
Piece: 646
Folio: 1
Page: 5
Registration District: Plantation
Civil Parish: Govan
Municipal Borough:
Address: 281, Nithsdale Road, Govan
County: Lanarkshire

If you go to this site:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/WIG/#Towns

you can see maps of where all these different parishes are.

I think you need to get the White/Drysdale marriage from scotlandspeople; credits cost £7 for 30 and it takes 1 credit to look at the results of a search and 5 to look at and/or download an image. Your looked-at results and images stay on the site so you can go back to them whenever you want.

Also on scotlandspeople there is a marriage for a John White to a Jane Drysdale in 1875 in Kirkcolm. The entry for the marriage will give you both sets of parents.

I am wondering where you got your info from. The Jane in the 1881 census shows as being born in Leswalt but I can't find her before that. This is the only Jane I can find with a brother Charles:

Name:
Jane Drysdale
Age:5
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1856
Relationship:Daughter
Father's Name:Charles Drysdale
Mother's Name:Margaret Drysdale
Where born:
Kirkmaiden, wigtonshire

Charles Drysdale 30 - b Ireland
Margaret Drysdale 27
Agnes Drysdale 9
John Drysdale 7
Jane Drysdale 5
James Drysdale 3
Charles Drysdale 1
Thomas Davidson 74 wife's grandfather, b Ireland
Agnes Davidson 39 wife's aunt, b Ireland
Thomas Ward 10, aunt's son, b Port Logan, Wigtownshire

From a free search on scotlandspeople, nothing is coming up for Elizabeth White but there is an Elizabeth Drysdale. There is a corresponding entry on familysearch which seem to indicate that Elizabeth was illegitimate:

Name: Elizabeth Drysdale
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 23 Jan 1872
Birthplace: KIRKCOLM,WIGTOWN,SCOTLAND
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Jeanie Drysdale - Jeannie is often used for Jane in Scotland
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11887-1

Dunragit is in the parish of Old Luce, not Kirkcolm.

To find her birth you need to use the scotlandspeople site - it is a pay to view site but you can view and download images of original entries.

Possible her - Dunragit is in Wigtownshire, possibly in the parish of Kirkcolm (will check that out):


1881 Scotland Census
Elizabeth White
Age:9
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1872
Relationship:Daughter
Father's Name:John White
Mother's Name:Jane White
Gender:Female
Where born:Kirkcolm, Wigtownshire
Registration number:895
Registration District:Penninghame
Civil Parish:Penninghame
County:Wigtownshire
Address:Clachan Farm

John White 35
Jane White 26
Elizabeth White 9
Robert White 3
Susanna White 1

Hi Alemap
Yours of 2/10/13 this could the right Elizabeth,below is all info I have on her:
Fact: married Fredrick Henry Johnson ex 2 Bn Royal Irish Fusiliers 4654 on
15/9/1903 Cape Town, but her given name was Elizabeth Drysdale White.
Hearsay: Born Dunragit Scotland +- 1873 , had sister Susan,brother Robert.
Father was a farmer and her mother was a sister of Charles Drysdale.
Many thanks all help received sofar,hope this thread reaches Glitter Baby,Reggie
Argy||Gran. Would like to find out more re her family
Regards
Mike.

Hi Michael, Welcome to the boards!

Is this your gran?

Name:Eliz WHITE
Date of departure:23 October 1901
Port of departure:London
Passenger destination port:Cape, South Africa
Passenger destination:Cape, South Africa
Date of Birth:1871 (calculated from age)
Age:30
Marital status:Single
Sex:Female
Occupation:Domestic
Passenger recorded on:Page 2 of 5
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Ship: WAIWERA
Official Number:
Master's name: J Stuart
Steamship Line: Shaw Savill & Albion Co Limited
Where bound: New Zealand
Square feet: 3681
Registered tonnage: 6237
Passengers on voyage: 177

Where in Scotland was she born? There were lots of Elizabeth White/Whyte births in Scotland around 1873.

Do you have the marriage cert, or are you going by hearsay?

Elizabeth White and Frederick Johnson are both such common names that we need more clues to narrow down the search.

What name is on the marriage cert?

And what are you asking for?

elizabeth white (whyte possible drysdale whyte) born 1873 scotland & went to
South Africa,marrried Fredrick Johnson from London in Capetown 1903.
any heip would be appreciated
Michael