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Dea - I knew some of that - a couple of years back they had a TV series here called "The Worst Jobs in History" or something like that, hosted by a scruffy looking guy called Tony (I think) and one week he did a fuller's job - fulling is needed to degrease cloth - so they put the raw cloth in a tub, along with (I suppose) some fullers earth, and then filled the tub with the "stuff" and Tony stomped on the cloth for abt half an hour. Apparently, in the late 19th century, there was quite a need for urine, and they paid 4d a bucket-full for it - even collected it at no cost to the seller.

;-) :-D :-D :-D

They did (and still do) use it for all sorts of things - in the cloth industry, the leather industry, in medecines and in make-up etc but it DID give me a laugh in this case

Dea Xxx

I thought it a bit odd, but they did some odd things back then.

I'd just been watching a rerun of Dimbleby's Age Of something or other, and they were going on about the stained glass windows in Canterbury Cathedral. Since it was an important building, they only used the very best urine in dissolving the pigment to paint on the glass - as I'm sure most of you know, the very best urine was that of a pre-pubescent red-headed boy.

Oh dear.....................LOL!

I didn't even look at that post...............

Apologies Reggie - it was mgnv who needs a visit to specsavers !!

I didn't notice it wasn't another of your posts as I was crying with laughter at the occupation of 'mule pisser' !!! see 04.59 post above by mgnv !! :-D :-D :-D

Dea x

I didn't do the transcription of the baptism record............I merely C&P'd it.

You need a trip to Spec Savers Reggie - James's occupation on 1841 is clearly 'mule PIECER' :-D :-D :-D

Dea Xxx

Many thanks for info. I do wish they would all stay in one place. I have a start now soI can visit these parishes when I am well enough, once again thank you. There is very little info handed down and no older living relatives to ask so this info is a surprising start

1841 England Census Transcription
Street:CHAPEL LANE
Parish:WIGAN
City:WIGAN
County:Lancashire
Registration District:WIGAN
Town:WIGAN
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:523 Book:8 Folio:23 Page:38

THOMAS DAVIES 1801 40 Labr
CHARLOTTE DAVIES 1801 40
JAMES DAVIES 1826 15 Mule pisser
MARY DAVIES 1828 13
ELIZABETH DAVIES 1831 10
SARAH DAVIES 1841 0[3m]
[pob=Lancs for all - that's how I read Jas's occup]


Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DAVIES Sarah Wigan Wigan & Leigh ATHERTON WIG/9/198

Births Sep 1841 (>99%)
Davies Sarah Wigan 21 760
[This rego is 3m too late so it might not be our Sarah]


Although it's missing from FMP, I think this is Jas's 1851 census

1851
Robert Jones name abt 1800 Wigan relation city, Lancashire
Ellen Jones name abt 1805 location relation city, Lancashire
Ellen Jones name,name abt 1831 Wigan relation city, Lancashire
John Jones name,name abt 1833 Wigan relation city, Lancashire
Mary Jones name,name abt 1836 Wigan relation city, Lancashire
Ann Jones name,name abt 1838 Wigan relation city, Lancashire
Thomas Jones name,name abt 1840 Wigan relation city, Lancashire
James Davies name abt 1826 location relation city, Lancashire
Elizabeth Davies name,name,name abt 1829 Wigan relation city, Lancashire
[ho107/2199/623/5]

I guessed at Wigan as a pob, but it would be nice to know where Ellen Snr & James said they were born.

Baptism: 12 Sep 1852 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Mary Ellen Davies - Daughter of James Davies & Elizabeth
Born: 12 Sep 1852
Abode: Queen Street
Occupation: Mulespinner
Baptised by: Geo. Huntington Clerk in Orders
Register: Baptisms 1851 - 1854, Page 177, Entry 1410
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Marriage: 13 Apr 1850 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
James Davise - (X), 24, Factory, Bachelor, Wigan
Elizabeth Jones - (X), 21, Spinster, Wigan
Groom's Father: Thomas Davise, Pipe seller
Bride's Father: Robert Jones, Labourer
Witness: John Welch; Mary Davise, (X)
Married by Banns by: Howard St.George Curate
Register: Marriages 1849 - 1850, Page 138, Entry 276
Source: LDS Film 1885696

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1871
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DAVIES Joseph Chorley Preston JONES CHO/44/41


Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)
Davies James Wigan 21 706
Jones Elizabeth Wigan 21

1861 census


Person: DAVIES, James Address: 9, Grove Crescent, Eccleston

DAVIES, James Head Married M 33 1828 Cotton Spinner Journeyman
Blackburn, Lancashire VIEW
DAVIES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 32 1829
Wigan, Lancashire VIEW
DAVIES, Mary E Daughter F 8 1853
Wigan, Lancashire VIEW
DAVIES, Thomas Son M 5 1856
Wigan, Lancashire VIEW
DAVIES, James Son M 2 1859
Eccleston, Lancashire

Bear in mind that Davis is the more common spelling for the English version of the name

Baptism: 10 Apr 1871 St Laurence, Chorley, Lancashire, England
Joseph Davis Davis - [Child] of James Davis & Elizabeth
Abode: Cowling
Occupation: Cotton Spinner
Baptised by: Fredk. J. Owens
Register: Baptisms 1851 - 1876, Page 303, Entry 2421
Source: LDS Film 1517687

Look for info at........................

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Or find his marriage..........and buy the cert, for his father's name (if known)

Just for ref.:
1891 England Census
James Davies Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Gender: Male Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Oswaldtwistle Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
Town: Oswaldtwistle County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Occupation: retired cotton spinner
Condition as to marriage: wiidower
Registration District: Blackburn Sub-registration District: Oswaldtwistle
ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Piece: 3410 Folio: 56 Page Number: 23
James Davies 66
James Davies 32 Eccleston
John Davies 24 Eccleston
Joseph Davies 20 Chorley
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3410; Folio: 56; Page: 23; GSU Roll: 6098520.

Have you got a birth certificate for one of his sons or the name of his wife?

Thank-you

Looking for information on James Davies born about 1825. He is at 16 Mason St, possibly this address is in Oswaldtwistle, and may have been born in Blackburn. At some point he is in Eccleston nr Chorley about 1859 . Can anyone help me find him and his parents. I have his sons living with him in 1891 at Mason St and found this info quite difficult to find given the surname. Any help appreciated