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Sorry Reggie my mistake, it should be the 51 census when he was living with Thomas and Mary Allen. According to the census's John was born in Birmingham, he married Ann Smith in 1857 in Leicester.

Kath

When and where did John Grogan marry?

Where was he born?

from your last post..............

. John was living with Thomas Allen and his wife Mary nee Grogan on the 41 census as a visitor.

That doesn't tally with the 1841 I posted above

This is what I would like to find out, John's marriage cert says his father was Matthew Grogan occ. carpenter but I can't find him. John was living with Thomas Allen and his wife Mary nee Grogan on the 41 census as a visitor. On Mary's marriage cert to Thomas she gives her father's name as John Smith??
I've tried all ways to find out if Mary was John's Mother, did she marry Matthew Grogan and what is the relationship to James Broughton? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Kath

Given the ages is John their grandson? do you have a marriage cert for him?

No unfortunately don't have Hannah's maiden name, yes Reggie that's James on the 41 census, it should read John Grogon though not Gorgon, by the by John Grogon was otherwise known as Broughton, he changed it from one census to another and have not been able to find out why but don't think he's their son but think there's got to be a connection somewhere. John is the one I'm really interested in.

Thanks for your help
Kath

The tithe records are unlikely to be relevant......if, as you think, he was English

1841 for INFO only



1841 census


Person: BROUGHTON, James Address: Humberstone Gate, St Margaret, Leicester

BROUGHTON, James M 48 1793 Leicestershire VIEW
BROUGHTON, Hannah F 47 1794 Ireland VIEW
GORGON, John M 7 1834 VIEW
BISHOP, Catharine F 50 1791 Ireland VIEW
JOHNSON, William M 20 1821 VIEW
DOFT, William M 20 1821 VIEW
DOFT, Sarah F 25 1816

Kathleen....
Do you have Hannah's maiden name...??

Thanks Eringobragh1916 & Reggie for replying, I'm grasping at straws a bit here for James Broughton, on the 1841 census he's living in Leicester with his wife Hannah, I've got his birth as abt 1782 and hers as 1789, it says he was born in Leics. and she was born in Ireland so as I haven't been able to find a marriage for him anywhere in England I thought I'd try Ireland and went on to the Roots/Ireland site and the Limerick one came up so just thought maybe someone could check it out for me. Don't know how the Tithe books would help unless they give some personal details but thank you anyway.

Regards
Kath

Could one of these have relevance to the man you are researching?

James Broughton
Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1814-1855
tax assessment: 1825 Cahernarry, Bally Common, Limerick, Ireland
James Broughton
Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1814-1855
tax assessment: 1824 Limerick, Ballycommon, Limerick, Ireland
James Broughton
Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1814-1855
tax assessment: 1822 Mungret, Ballycommon, Limerick, Ireland

Kath
Do you have supporting info.re James Broughton..?
What led you back to the Co Limerick and marriage date..?
You would be looking at Church Records for the time frame in question so it is necessary to try and determine where in the Co.Limerick he may have lived at the time.

If anyone has access to the Limerick records, could you please look for the marriage of James Broughton in 1822.

Many thanks
Kath