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Thanks so much Chris Ho ;-)

Don't suppose Williams wife Mary and baby daughter Hannah are listed on FMP?...I only have Ancestry and have found nothing :-S

And thanks Sappho ;-)

Will do some googling tomorrow, getting late here. I also received a email saying the church was called St Cynon, Quakers Yard, Abercynon so am guessing this is the same one you found but will be interesting to read history.

If you google St Cynon Church you will find some interesting information.

Hope you enjoy reading this. Church of St Cynon , Tregynon.

Sappho

Burial (Find My Past)
First name(s): William
Last name: HURDEDGE
Date of burial 16 Apr 1898
Age at death: 66
Calculated year of birth: 1832
Place of burial Llanfabon
Dedication: St Mabon
County: Glamorganshire
Llanfabon St Mabon:
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1716 - 1922
Number of entries: 6,497
Record source: National Burial Index
Data provider: Glamorgan Family History Society

Last name:Hurdidge
First Name:William
County:Glamorganshire
Place / Parish:Llanfabon
Age:66
Burial Year:1898
Burial Month:Apr
Burial Day:16
Died Year:-
Died Month:-
Died Day:-
Fathers Forenames:-
Mothers Forenames:-
Husbands Forenames:-
Page:35
Record source:Glamorgan burials - Transcript
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
(on image above,says St. Cynon)


Would be an idea to google around for local Archives/Record Office to ask advice.

Chris :)


Burial
First name(s): John
Last name: HERAIDGE
Date of burial 27 Jun 1894
Age at death: 25
Calculated year of birth: 1869
Place of burial Llanfabon
Dedication: St Mabon
County: Glamorganshire

Burial
Last name:Hurdidge
First Name:David
County:Glamorganshire
Place / Parish:Llanfabon
Age:61
Burial Year:1932
Burial Month:Mar
Burial Day:26
(on image, St. Cynon, abode, 163, Court Road, Barry)

Does anyone know where the Parish Records or Registers would be for St Cynon Church for c1874 when Mary and baby Hannah died?

I also thought perhaps there is a church cemetery or public cemetery in or near Treforest, Glamorgan as this was where their next youngest child Isaac was born 16 Oct 1872?

Appreciate any help you can offer.

;-)

Every bit helps Chris :-)

UPDATE

Have heard back from Andrea James and the cemetery where William and his two sons are buried had a church called St Cynons which is on a hill and was apparently demolished to make way for part of a motorway but the graves were left in place.

I just did a quick google search but as my geography of Wales isn't great I'm not sure where it is but am guessing it could be one in Rhonda or Taffs Vale as some of my James branches lived round this area for many years.

Hope this helps

1881
LEWIS, Abraham Head Married M 39 1842 Boxer Tin Works
Ilton, Somerset
LEWIS, Ann Wife Married F 41 1840
Ystradowen, Glamorganshire, Wales
HURDIGE, John Nephew Single M 13 1868 Boxer Assistant
Trefforest, Glamorganshire, Wales
HURDIGE, David Nephew Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Trefforest, Glamorganshire, Wales
HURDIGE, Isaac Nephew Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Trefforest, Glamorganshire, Wales
Piece: 5274
Folio: 44
Page: 47
Registration District: Newport
Civil Parish: Upper Machen
Municipal Borough:
Address: Ffwrwm, Upper Machen
County: Monmouthshire

Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
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Hurdidge David Pontypridd 11a 289

Chris :)

(not much help!)

edits to add below...


Births Dec 1872 (>99%)
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Hurdidge Isaac Pontypridd 11a 309

Thanks for that PricklyHolly

I've been in touch with Andrea in the last couple of days but she has no idea where Mary & Hannah are buried...they aren't buried with William and 2 of their sons and am waiting for a reply from her as to which cemetery they are buried at in case she is mistaken.

As you've probably noticed from the Census records William & Mary had 9 children, mainly boys so I'm very surprised there aren't other Hurdidge/Hurditch's or James' (this was Mary's maiden) buried there. My James ancestors lived all round this area and only wish I lived there so I could do a few road trips and look myself ;-)

Hope this helps

Cheers
Tracy

I've tried all types of search on ancestry, 1871/81/91 but can't locate William - even though it looks like he didn't die until 1898.

Only thing I can think of is get one of the children's birth certificates born nearest to the 1871 census for an address, or Mary's death certificate may have an address.

Very frustrating because i can't find the family in 1871 on Ancestry or FMP.

Tracy.........if you go to Ancestry's sister site here.......

http://www.mundia.com/gb/

You will be able to view the tree that is on Ancestry. (You will need to register)

Tree name....Hurdidge/Docherty/Williams/Jones
Tree Owner....andreajames39

There is a photo of the church, the graveyard and William's headstone which includes other members of the family.

Son John who died before his father in 1894 in the Albion Pit Disaster and Son David who died in 1932.

A huge thanks to everyone who has replied above ;-)

The 1861 Census that Flip and PricklyHolly have posted are correct :-)

And the Death Reg that PricklyHolly posted are the right ones :-)

And what a dumb mistake I made with the probate for Hannah who was a spinster :-S :-S

Any ideas on where Mary & Hannah and probably others of the same family are buried? And what spelling may have been used on the 1871 Wales Census?

Thanks Again!!

Tracy

According to a tree on Ancestry.......William and Mary had a son Isaac born 1872 Trefornest Glamorgan

He appears with Brother Thomas in the 1891 census...

1891 Wales Census
about Isaac Hardage Name: Isaac Hardage
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Trefornest, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish: Llanwonno
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Mountain Ash
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Pontypridd
Sub-registration District: Llanwonno
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4415
Folio: 91
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Hardage 31 (Coal Miner) Quaders Yard Glamorgan
Elizabeth A Hardage 31
Mary E Hardage 8
Eliza Hardage 7
William Hardage 5
Isaac Hardage 3
Thomas Hardage 1
Isaac Hardage 18 (Coal Miner)

Coming up with nothing for them in 1871 on ancestry - tried under various wildcards. If it is the right family in 1861 maybe a search using just first names and occupation shoemaker may find them on FMP?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Hannah Hurdidge Name: Hannah Hurdidge
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1874
Age at Death: 0
Registration District: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 208


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Hurdidge Name: Mary Hurdidge
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1874
Age at Death: 39
Registration District: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 207

1861 Wales Census
about William Harditch Name: William Harditch
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Son-in-law
Spouse's Name: Mary Harditch
Gender: Male
Where born: Kington, Somerset, England

Civil Parish or Township: Llanfabon
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration District: Gelligaer
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household Schedule Number: 51
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4047
Folio: 8
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas James 56
Barbara James 60
William Harditch 29
Mary Harditch 26
James Harditch 6
William Harditch 4
Thomas Harditch 1
William Perrott 52

Think these are the deaths:

Deaths Sep 1874 (>99%)
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HARDWIDGE William 50 Pontypridd 11a 239
Hardwidge William 60 Pontypridd 11a 239
Hurdidge Hannah 0 Pontypridd 11a 208 <<<<
Hurdidge Mary 39 Pontypridd 11a 207 <<<<

Think this could be them GB:

Mary Harditch
[Mary James]
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Daughter
Spouse's Name: William Harditch
Father's Name: Thomas James
Mother's Name: Barbara James
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanfabon, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Llanfabon
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration District: Gelligaer
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household Schedule Number: 51
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4047
Folio: 8
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas James 56 (Haulier, born Fishguard)
Barbara James 60 (born Bridgend)
William Harditch 29 (shoemaker, born Kington, Somerset
Mary Harditch 26
James Harditch 6
William Harditch 4
Thomas Harditch 1
William Perrott 52

William Hurditch
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1854
Registration District: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 279
Records on Page: Name
William Hurditch
Mary James

Need some feedback as to when and where William and Mary were born, children on 1861 census etc

That probate record, shows the lady died in Somerset and links to this death:

Hannah Hurditch
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1874
Age at Death: 42
Registration District: Clutton
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 376

So I think you have gone wrong somewhere in the research. This lady was a spinster of Chew Magna

The 1861 can not be the right family as both still alive in 1881