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Melanie
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27 Sep 2013 05:27 |
I am looking for any information on
William Thomas Beer b 1850c in either Australia (most probably NSW) or possibly England who married a Sarah Cecilia Chilton b 1850c in London (am not certain she was born in London)
I know that they Married on 12/1/1876 in St James Church Sydney.
They had a son called William Joseph Beer 1876-1932 who was born in Sydney Australia i am unsure if they had any other children. William Joseph Beer married Elizabeth Ethel Christey 1879-1953.
I have also found a daughter Celia Jane Beer b1880 in Sydney
If any one has information that could help me please contact me!
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Gee
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27 Sep 2013 07:44 |
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name:Edward E Beer
Birth Date:1884
Father's Name:William T Beer
Mother's Name:Sarah C
Birth Place:New South Wales
Registration Year:1884
Registration Place:Redfern, New South Wales
Registration number:10595
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name:Louisa M Beer
Birth Date:1887
Father's Name:William T Beer
Mother's Name:Sarah C
Birth Place:New South Wales
Registration Year:1887
Registration Place:Redfern, New South Wales
Registration number:11022
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name:Ethel M Beer
Birth Date:1889
Father's Name:William T Beer
Mother's Name:Sarah C
Birth Place:New South Wales
Registration Year:1889
Registration Place:Redfern, New South Wales
Registration number:8287
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name:Alfred T Beer
Birth Date:1882
Father's Name:William T Beer
Mother's Name:Sarah
Birth Place:New South Wales
Registration Year:1882
Registration Place:Sydney, New South Wales
Registration number:3083
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Choccy
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27 Sep 2013 10:02 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name:Sarah Cecilia Chilton
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1849
Registration District: St Olave Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 4 Page: 481
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Choccy
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27 Sep 2013 10:13 |
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New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
Name: Sarah Chilton
Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 8
Arrival Date: 23 Aug 1857
Vessel Name: Zemindar
Origin Location: St Andrews, Middlesex, England travelling with father William aged 41 (a Sawyer) born Kings Farm Gardens, Middlesex - parents John and Sarah living in Middlesex mother - Margaret aged 39 born St Andrews, Middlesex - parents Jabez (dead) and Margaret William aged 12, Margaret Ann aged 10, (Sarah aged 8) and Maria aged 1 (all children born King Davids Lane)
Relative in the Colony is William's sister, Ann Chuter (address not known)
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Choccy
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27 Sep 2013 10:16 |
Sarah Cecilia Beer died NSW 1938 - parents William and Margaret Ann
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Gee
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27 Sep 2013 17:30 |
PM
Could you please tell me what site you are using to Search Aus BDM.
RE ;your work on the Beers family .
I live in WA and I thought the site I was using good but could not find that info that you did.
Many Thanks
I've advised to post on here, rather than by PM
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Gee
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27 Sep 2013 17:33 |
New South Wales, Australia, Police Gazettes, 1854-1930
Name:William Thomas Beer
Birth Year: abt 1851
Age:54
Event Place:New South Wales, Australia
Event Type:Missing Person
Publication Date:3 May 1905
Page #:159
His wife Sarah is looking for him and he is thought to be 'insane'
If you buy the marriage certificate for the couple, you should find more details as to his birth place and parents
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Choccy
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27 Sep 2013 18:14 |
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/
possible children
2950/1876 BEER WILLIAM JOSEPH WILLIAM THOMAS SARAH CECILIA SYDNEY 2277/1880 BEER CELIA JANE WILLIAM THOMAS SARAH CECILIA SYDNEY 3083/1882 BEER ALFRED T WILLIAM T SARAH SYDNEY 10595/1884 BEER EDWARD E WILLIAM T SARAH C REDFERN 11022/1887 BEER LOUISA M WILLIAM T SARAH C REDFERN 8287/1889 BEER ETHEL M WILLIAM T SARAH C REDFERN
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Melanie
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28 Sep 2013 02:31 |
Thank you when I searched bdm I could only see two children that they had I don't know what I was doing wrong?? It's been a few years since I have done any research and its almost like I'm a beginner again with all the different websites there are now!
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Susan
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28 Sep 2013 04:42 |
Thankyou Gins :-D
Suex
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Chris Ho :)
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28 Sep 2013 08:35 |
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW (1842 - 1954) Wednesday 28 September 1938
(Death notice of Sarah above)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y
Chris :)
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Gee
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28 Sep 2013 09:44 |
According to a tree, this is William
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name:William Beer
Birth Date1847
Father's Name:William Beer
Mother's Name:Mary J
Birth Place:New South Wales
Registration Year1847
Registration Place:Sydney, New South Wales
Volume Number:V1847843 32A
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name:William Beer
Death Date:1932
Death Place:New South Wales
Father's Name:William
Mother's Name:Mary J
Registration Year:1932
Registration Place: Randwick, New South Wales
Registration number:6937
Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name:William Beer (Retired) & Sarah Cecilia Beet
Gender:Male
Electoral Year:1930
State:New South Wales
District:South Sydney
Subdistrict: Randwick North>>>> 7 Carrington Road
And Sarah is at the same address, alone after Williams death
Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name:Sarah Cecelia Beer
Gender:Female
Electoral Year:1937
State:New South Wales
District:Watson
Subdistrict:Randwick North
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Gee
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28 Sep 2013 11:50 |
I think this may be Sarah with her family
1851 England Census
Name:Sarah Chitton <<mistranscibed, reads Chilton on the form
Age:1
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1850
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:William Chitton
Mother's Name:Margaret Chitton
Gender:F (Female)
Where born: Southwk, Surrey, England
Civil Parish:Southwark St John Horsleydown
Ecclesiastical parish:St John
Registration District:St Olave Southwark Sub-registration District:St Olave
ED, institution, or vessel:6 Household Schedule Number:15 Piece:1559 Folio:414 Page Number:4
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William Chitton 35 Margaret Chitton 36 William Chitton 6 Margaret Chitton 4 Sarah Chitton 1
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Cherilyn
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29 Sep 2013 08:03 |
Thanks for the link, Gins (though it looks like you have done very well without my help already :-D)
So a bit of sleuthing and I have this:
William BEER married Mary Jane LAMERTON in Exeter, Devonshire in Sep qtr of 1840. They arrived in NSW in February 1841 as Bounty Immigrants aboard "Marquis of Hastings'.
Name: William Beer Birth Year (Estimated): 1817 Age: 24 Native Residence Place: St George Exeter, Devon, England Father's Name: John Beer Mother's Name: Elizabeth Spouse's Name: Mary Jane Beer [her record shows her as age 25] Spouse's Residence Place: St George Exeter, Devon, England Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Lamerton Spouse's Mother's Name: Ship Name: Marquis Of Hastings Event Date: 04 Feb 1841 Volume: 51 GS Film number: 416870 Digital Folder Number: 4117079 Image Number: 02080
They had the following children in NSW:
1. Julia L b. 1841, d. ? 2. Emma b. 1843, m. John DUKE 1864, d. 1873 Sydney 3. Thos b. 1844, d. 1844 4*. William b. 1847, m. Sarah Cecilia CHILTON 1876, d. 1932 Randwick 5. Frances H b. 1850, d. ? 6. James H b. 1854, d. 1855
Deaths of parents Wm & Mary Jane: 7307/1876 BEER WILLIAM / JOHN / ELIZABETH / MACLEAY RIVER 272/1857 BEER MARY J / THOMAS / JULIA / SYDNEY
Wiliam and Sarah had the following children born Sydney/Redfern: 1*. Wm Joseph 1876, m. Elizabeth Ethel CHRISTEY 1897, d. 1932 Sydney aged 55 2. Celia [Cecilia] Jane 1880, m1. Richard B PARKER 1906, m2. Edwin Windermere LYON 1944, d. 1966 Kogarah [first husband died in 1941] 3. Alfred T[hos?] 1882, d. 1905 Redfern 4. Edward Ernest 1884, m. Annie MEE 1907 NZ, d. 1953 NZ aged 69 5. Louisa Maria 1887, m. Sidney PHILLIPS 1913, d. 1933 Balmain South aged 45 6. Ethel May 1889, m. Geo J BIRTLES 1910, d. 1946 North Sydney aged 57
William's death notice, matches 1932 death found by Gins:
The Sydney Morning Herald, Thursday 19 May 1932 DEATHS. BEER.-May 17, 1932, at his daughter's residence, Woodstock, 7 Carrlngton-road, Randwick, William, dearly loved husband of Sarah Beer, and loving father of Cecilia (Mrs. R. Parker), Ernest, Louisa (Mrs. S. Phillips), Ethel (Mrs. G. Birtles), and of the late William and Alfred Beer, aged 84 years.
This was eldest daughter Cecilia's address, also given on her mother Sarah's death notice.
His death reg matches parents above: 6937/1932 BEER WILLIAM / WILLIAM / MARY J / RANDWICK
Son William J died that same year.
The marriage cert of Wm & Sarah would confirm the parents for both.
Sarah's death reg matches details found by Gins above: 16226/1938 BEER SARAH CECILIA / WILLIAM / MARGARET ANN / RANDWICK
Chn's marriages: 2313/1906 PARKER RICHARD B / BEER CECILIA J / REDFERN 3477/1910 BIRTLES GEORGE J / BEER ETHEL M / SYDNEY 3058/1913 PHILLIPS SIDNEY / BEER LOUISA M / REDFERN
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Cherilyn
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29 Sep 2013 08:22 |
From NLA Trove
The Sydney Morning Herald, Monday 22 February 1932 BEER - February 21, 1932, at Sydney Hospital, William Joseph, beloved husband of Ethel Beer, late of Arncliffe, and father of Eric, John, Ethel, Maud, Horace, Thelma, George, Jean, and May, aged 55 years.
He was buried at C of E Cemetery, Rookwood.
His wife:
The Sydney Morning Herald, Monday 21 September 1953 BEER. Elizabeth Ethel.- September 20, 1953, at her daughter's residence, 307 Bondi Road, Bondi, late of Taren Point, relict of William Joseph Beer, and dear mother of John, Ethel, Maud. Horace, Thelma,George, Jean and May, in her 75th year.
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Cherilyn
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29 Sep 2013 08:37 |
William Joseph's younger sisters' death notices from SMH newspaper:
Monday 3 July 1933 PHILLIPS-July 1, 1933, Louisa Maria, dearly loved wife of Sldney Phillips of 1 McDonald street, Paddington, aged 45 years
Saturday 5 January 1946 BIRTLES. — January 4, 1946, Ethel May, beloved wife of George B. Birtles, of 123 Holt Avenue, Cremorne, and loving mother of George, F. O. Alfred (killed in action), F. S. Ronald (killed in action), Mercia (Mrs. J. Peek), Dorothy (Mrs. E. Barber), and dear aunt of Edward Rogers, and grandmother of John and Patricia Peek, aged 57 years. Requiescat in Pace.
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Cherilyn
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29 Sep 2013 08:51 |
Death for Sarah Cecilia's mother, Margaret CHILTON, in NSW in 1875 as daughter of Jabez and Margaret, also fits what Choccy posted earlier...
1951/1875 CHILTON MARGARET A / JABEZ / MARGARET / SYDNEY Friday 17 September 1875 CHILTON.—September 16, at her residence, 100, Woolloomooloo-street, Mrs. Margaret Chilton, in her 63rd year.
Looks like Sarah's brother William and father William both died in 1891. These notices posted in 1892: CHILTON. — In loving remembrance of my dear father, William Chilton, who departed this life May 1, 1891, aged 76 years. Inserted by his loving daughter, Sarah Beer. CHILTON. — In loving remembrance of my dear brother, William Chilton, who departed this lite May 19, 1891, aged 46 years. Inserted by his loving sister and brother-in-law, William and Sarah Beer. (how sad that Sarah's husband and son would also end up dying in the same year!)
Has to be these deaths (with informant errors for Wm snr's parents): 9827/1891 CHILTON WILLIAM / WILLIAM / MARGARET A / MURWILLUMBAH 13036/1891 CHILTON WILLIAM / WILLIAM J / MARGARET A / REDFERN [interestingly death notices show it was Wm snr who died in Redfern; son died suddenly 'at the Tweed River']
Also notices from Maria and Thomas FLOOD - so sister Maria married Thos J FLOOD in 1882; she died in 1909 in Ashfield NSW: 8212/1909 FLOOD MARIA / WILLIAM / MARGARET A / ASHFIELD
Her other sister, Margaret Anne, married Frederick Thomas PANTLIN in 1863. Her death: 17893/1928 PANTLIN MARGARET A / WILLIAM / MARGARET / REDFERN
They also died VERY close together!
The Sydney Morning Herald, Monday 15 October 1928 PANTLIN.-October 14, 1928, at residence, 85 Young-street, Redfern, Frederick Thomas Pantlin and Margaret Ann Pantlin, aged 87 and 85 [?] years.
The Sydney Morning Herald, Tuesday 16 October 1928 OBITUARY. TWO PIONEERS Within two hours of each other two pioneers, Mr. Frederick Thomas Pantlin and his wife, Margaret Anne, died at their home at Young street, Redfern, on Sunday. Mr. Pantlin was aged 87 years, and Mrs. Pantlin was two years younger. Born at Poplar, London, they came to Sydney 74 years ago, and lived at Redfern for 50 years. Mr. Pantlln started in Australia as a stockman for the late Mr. D. Berry, at Coolangatta. Later he purchased a farm at Tomerong, near Nowra. His next venture was to commence a four-horse bus service, which, however, was a failure, by reason of the competition of the first trams. Eight children-six sons and two daughters-survive.
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Gee
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29 Sep 2013 09:39 |
Nice one Cheri :-D
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Melanie
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29 Sep 2013 11:47 |
Wow!!! Thanks for all of your help!! This is the first time I have had any luck on this part of my tree!! It's like information magically appeared one day and I was hibernating or something! You have all been fantastic! :)
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Cherilyn
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2 Oct 2013 03:36 |
:-D happy to help!
(Tho' you should have known a heading like 'Trying to find BEER' would attract us Aussies!)
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