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Wendy
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25 Sep 2013 20:56 |
Can anyone help me find any info on Dorothy Gertrude Pestell 03/10/1919 in Luton Please. She was adopted . Thank you Wendy :-)
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Catherine
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25 Sep 2013 21:05 |
England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 about Dorothy G Pestell Name: Dorothy G Pestell Mother's Maiden Surname: Fensome Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919 Registration District: Luton Inferred County: Cambridgeshire Volume Number: 3b Page Number: 654
Birth gives mothers maiden name as Fensome.
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Catherine
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25 Sep 2013 21:08 |
Possible marriage for parents?
Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%) Fensome Lily M Pestell Luton 3b 1050 PESTELL Arthur B Fensome Luton 3b 1050
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Catherine
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25 Sep 2013 21:09 |
Possible siblings?
Births Jun 1917 (>99%) Pestell Arthur B Fensome Luton 3b 543 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1921 (>99%) Pestell Frederick G Fensome Luton 3b 598 Scan available - click to view
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Catherine
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25 Sep 2013 21:10 |
But maybe you are looking to find out what happened to her after she was adopted?
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Catherine
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25 Sep 2013 21:12 |
Maybe relevant?
Deaths Jun 1947 (>99%) Pestell Lily M 52 Luton 4a 149
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Catherine
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25 Sep 2013 21:16 |
Interesting:-
Marriages Mar 1939 (>99%) Pestell Arthur B Neal Norwich 4b 359
not on same page
Marriages Mar 1939 (>99%) Neal Elsie Pestell Norwich 4b 339
4 possible children to this marriage in 1939 1946 1948 and 1954 so maybe the marriage is for the Arthur B. Pestell,son of Arthur and Lily ?
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Catherine
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25 Sep 2013 21:26 |
Births Dec 1886 (>99%) Pestell Arthur Bertram Luton 3b 43_
2 possible births for mother:-
Births Mar 1891 (>99%) Fensome Lily Maud Luton 3b 432 xxxxxxx Births Mar 1895 (>99%) xxxxxxxx Fensome Lily May Luton 3b 433
......................but as she died in 1947 aged 52yrs the 1895 birth must be the correct one.
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Catherine
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25 Sep 2013 21:32 |
Possible she married under her birth name?
England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Dorothy G Pestell Name: Dorothy G Pestell Spouse Surname: Terry Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1939 Registration District: Croydon Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 2771 Find Spouse: William G Terry
and this death would fit with the marriage?
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Dorothy Gertrude Terry Name: Dorothy Gertrude Terry Birth Date: 3 Oct 1919 Date of Registration: Dec 2003 Age at Death: 84 Registration District: Fakenham Inferred County: Norfolk Register Number: 19B District and Subdistrict: 635/1 Entry number: 15
..............and if you look at date of birth given on death record it is the same as your Dorothy Gertrude so must be correct, although to be absolutely sure you would need to buy the marriage certificate and her birth certificate to see if father's names are the same.
This death would fit:-
Arthur Bertram Pestell year mm 1979 city Norfolk
which would also take him to same area as his sister Dorothy.
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Catherine
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25 Sep 2013 22:16 |
Sadly, other brother looks to have died when he was very young:-
Deaths Dec 1926 (>99%) Pestell Frederick G 5 Luton 3b 422
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MarieCeleste
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25 Sep 2013 22:22 |
Arthur's WW1 pension records confirm his wife as Lily May, they lived 42 Guildford Street, Luton.
He enlisted 1915, discharged medically unfit (problems with his appendix) in 1916.
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 Name: Arthur Pestell Document Year: 1914 Regimental Number: 4428 Regiment Name: Reserve 5th Bedfordshire Shire Regiment Number of images: 9
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Catherine
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26 Sep 2013 22:27 |
I see there is still no response?
A bit more info:-
RODELL, Arthur Head Married10 years M 30 1881 Fish Labourer Bedfordshire Luton VIEW RODELL, Gerva Kate Wife Married F 30 1881 Straw Hat Machinist Hertordshire Stevenage VIEW RODELL, Arthur William Son M 8 1903 Bedfordshire Luton VIEW RODELL, Kate Lilian Daughter F 5 1906 Bedfordshire Luton VIEW
FENSOME, Lily May Boarder Single F 16 1895 Straw Hat Finisher Bedfordshire Luton VIEW RODELL, Rosie Annie Daughter F 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Bedfordshire Luton VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 9010 Reference: RG14PN9010 RG78PN479 RD178 SD2 ED17 SN101 Registration District: Luton Sub District: Luton Enumeration District: 17 Parish: Luton Address: 65 Hampton Road Luton Bedfordshire County: Bedfordshire
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1891 England Census about Arthur B Pestell Name: Arthur B Pestell Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Son Father's Name: James A Pestell Mother's Name: Ellen C Pestell Gender: Male Where born: Luton, Bedfordshire, England Civil Parish: Luton Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Luton County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Luton Sub-registration District: Luton ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1274 Folio: 25 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age James A Pestell 34 Ellen C Pestell 28 Eva Pestell 8 Carrie Pestell 6 Arthur B Pestell 4 Ernest Pestell 1 ...................................
1901 England Census about Arthur Pedell Name: Arthur Pedell [Arthur Pestell] Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Pedell Mother's Name: Ellen Pedell Gender: Male Where born: Luton, Bedfordshire, England Civil Parish: Luton Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Luton County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation Registration District: Luton Sub-registration District: Luton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 35 Piece: 1515 Folio: 32 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age James Pedell 44 - straw hat stiffener Ellen Pedell 38 Eva Pedell 18 Caroline Pedell 16 Arthur Pedell 14 - M? Carrier Ernest Pedell 11 Gertrude Pedell 9 Alice Pedell 7 Davis Pedell 4 ...........................................
The family in 1911:- PESTELL, James Arthur Head Married M 54 1857 Foreman Straw Hatter Surrey London VIEW PESTELL, Ellen Charlotte Wife Married29 years F 48 1863 Luton Beds VIEW PESTELL, Eva Daughter Single F 28 1883 Straw Hat Finisher Luton Beds VIEW PESTELL, Ernest Son Single M 21 1890 Straw Hat Stiffener Luton Beds VIEW PESTELL, Gertrude Daughter Single F 19 1892 Straw Hat Machinist Luton Beds VIEW PESTELL, Alice May Daughter Single F 17 1894 Straw Hat Machinist Luton Beds VIEW PESTELL, Doris Helen Daughter Single F 14 1897 Straw Hat Forewoman's Help Luton Beds VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 9017 Reference: RG14PN9017 RG78PN479 RD178 SD2 ED24 SN32 Registration District: Luton Sub District: Luton Enumeration District: 24 Parish: Luton Address: 63 Dallow Rds Luton Bedfordshire County: Bedfordshire
Arthur isn't with the family and ancestry links him to the 1911 Canadian census so maybe he was in Canada in 1911?
This may be him heading for Halifax, Canada:-
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Arthur Pestell Name: Arthur Pestell Gender: Male Departure Date: 26 Mar 1911 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: Halifax, Canada Ship Name: Scotian Search Ship Database: Search the 'Scotian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Allan Line Master: Thos Moan
Arthurs uncle (brother of his father James) moved with his family to Canada so maybe he was going to either visit or live with him?
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MarieCeleste
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26 Sep 2013 22:37 |
There is an Arthur Pestell of the right age in Canada:
1911 Census of Canada
Name: Arthur Pestell Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Age: 23 Birth Date: Oct 1887 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Laborer Immigration Year: 1911 Tribal: English Province: Alberta District: MacLeod District Number: 3 Sub-District Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age John Smith 34 Jussie Smith 41 George Smith 13 Stewart Smith 2 Wm White 33 Alexander Donaldson 30 Euphamia Donaldson 31 John Milligan 38 Sarah Milligan 35 Mary J Milligan 13 Myrtle Milligan 9 Henry Aray 24 Silvester Hibler 22 Archie Slade 20 Lionel Carpenter 45 Oran Ford 19 Richd James 35 Saml Robinson 23 Wm Beatty 25 Arthur Pestell 23 <<< Labourer Fred Wake 48 John Larson 23 Henry West 25 Gue A Porchat 30
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Wendy
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27 Sep 2013 09:02 |
thank you all so much for your replies. There is a lot of info there!!! We are trying to find out if Bro Albert was also adopted, poss why. We were unaware of the younger child. We have contacted Bernardos and they had no records for Dorothy. Albert's wedding (child) is very interesting. Will take some time to look at all this info Meanwhile thank you so much Wendy ..p.s Will get back to you as soon as I can
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Catherine
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27 Sep 2013 21:28 |
I had been looking for a death for Arthur B. Pestell but couldn't find anything. the nearest I have been able to find is this one:-
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Arthur Pestell Name: Arthur Pestell Birth Date: abt 1887 Date of Registration: Dec 1950 Age at Death: 63 Registration District: Biggleswade Inferred County: Bedfordshire Volume: 4a Page: 87
No proof that it is your man but ancestry also links this to him, so maybe?
By the way, brother was Arthur B. (same as his father) and not Albert.
Don't think you will find any online records that could tell you why the children were adopted maybe your best bet is to try and contact any decendants. I will pm you the names of Arthur Jnr.'s children.
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Catherine
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27 Sep 2013 21:41 |
Unfortunarely this looks to be one of the children:-
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Brian Henry Pestell Name: Brian Henry Pestell Birth Date: 26 Oct 1954 Date of Registration: Feb 2007 Age at Death: 53 Registration District: Gr Yarmouth Inferred County: Norfolk Volume: -1 Page: -1 Register Number: B91B District and Subdistrict: 636/1B Entry number: 071
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