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In 1911 I have William Key born 1873 at Barlow Derbyshire at H M Prison The Royal Deaf and Dumb Institution. Not sure if I've misread what FMP say but I thought they had the records of prisoners up to 1929. Can someone tell me if only some of the records are available only I cannot find William Key in the prisoner records.

Thank you

Chris

I looked the other day for someone who was in prison in 1911 and his records were not on there either

looks like his mum left him £75 in her will in 1932
She died 1/5/1932

Chris, there are quite a number of mentions in the newspaper archives of a William Key (or may be more than one with the same name) in Derbyshire who seemed to keep the police busy with relatively minor offences.

Can you tell me more about your William (address, occupation, etc) and I'll see what I can find.
EDIT: See from the 1911 that he's a coal miner hewer)

Could this be him?

Headline: BELPER PETTY SESSIONS.

Publication:Derby Daily Telegraph
Publication date:Thursday 22 September 1910

Article text:
The Language of Key. William Key, a Heage collier, was summoned for using indecent language on Kilburn Road on the 5th inst. He pleaded guilty, fined 1s and 7s 6d cost.

Thank you all for your replies. This is William in 1901

Hare & Hounds Inn, Top Common, Barlow

KEY, William Head Married M 57 1844 Beer Retailer Barlow, Derbyshire
KEY, Betsy Wife Married F 54 1847 Barlow, Derbyshire
KEY, Will Son Single M 28 1873 Coal Miner Loader Below Ground
Barlow, Derbyshire


Looks like this is the Heage William in 1911

KEY, William Address: Bridle Lane Ripley

ALLEN, John Head Married52 years M 78 1833 Bridge Yard Labourer Retired Loughborough Leicesters
ALLEN, Mary Wife Married 52 years F 72 1839 Chaddesden Derbys
LOWE, William Lodger Married M 62 1849 Coal Miner Hewer Ripley Derby
>>>>KEY, William Lodger Bachelor M 60 1851 Coal Miner Hewer Heage Derby

In the 1911 census my Will is shown as married. It looks like he married Emma White at St Lawrence church, Barlow in 1901.

Think this is her in 1901

WHITE, Emma Address: Top Common, Barlow

WHITE, Emma Head Widow F 40 1861 General Charwoman
Barlow, Derbyshire
WHITE, Charles Son Single M 7 1894 School
Barlow, Derbyshire

In 1911 - Wiles Row Commonside Barlow

KEY, Emma Head Married F 50 1861 Barlow Derbyshire
WHITE, Charles Son Single M 17 1894 Banksman Coal Mine Barlow Derbyshire
WHITE, Harry Grandson M 2 1909 Barlow Derbyshire

I'd love to find out more about William. Could anyone tell me if there was probate for either William or Emma. I believe William died in 1940 and Emma possibly in 1948 however age is a bit out but the Emma Key death was not in Chesterfield where I expected but in Belper district.

Chris

Will Key, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Will Key
Birth Date: 1873
Birthplace:
Age: 28
Spouse's Name: Emma White
Spouse's Birth Date: 1862
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 39
Event Date: 14 Aug 1901
Event Place: Barlow, Derbyshire, England
Father's Name: William Key
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Mark Haslam
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01073-2
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1752124
Reference ID: p130 i566

William Key, "England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: William Key
Age (Original): 37
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1844
Birthplace: Barlow, Derbyshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Address: Newgate
Event Place: Barlow, Derbyshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341824
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 3444 / 6
Page Number: 6
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head William Key M 37 Barlow, Derbyshire, England
Wife Betsey Key F 33 Barlow, Derbyshire, England
Daughter Rosa Key F 12 Barlow, Derbyshire, England
Daughter Mary Key F 10 Barlow, Derbyshire, England
Daughter Jane Ann Key F 9 Barlow, Derbyshire, England
Son William Key M 8 Barlow, Derbyshire, England
Daughter Annie Key F 4 Barlow, Derbyshire, England

safc thank you so much for that, really appreciate it. So much for me thinking Emma's maiden name was Bate.

Chris

The marriage details safc found for me have left me with another query. Her fathers name is given as Mark Haslam. Her previous marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
>>>Bate Emma Chesterfield 7b 800
DAVENPORT Susannah Chesterfield 7b 800
GAMBLE Robert Chesterfield 7b 800
>>>White George Chesterfield 7b 800

I cannot find a previous marriage Haslam to Bate. Any advice please.

Chris

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1871 Census

Name: Emma Haslam
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Mark Haslam
Mother's Name: Maria Haslam
Gender: Female
Where born: Barlow, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Barlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Lichfield
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration District: Chesterfield
Sub-registration District: Dronfield

Mark Haslam 58 b.ca 1813, Barlow, Tailor
Maria Haslam 52 b.ca 1819, Barlow
William Haslam 30 b.ca 1841, Barlow, Widower, Stone Mason
John Haslam 19 b.ca 1852, Barlow, Farm Labourer
Emma Haslam 11 Scholar

Address:- Barlow Lees


This is on one Public Family Tree on ancestry ....................

it does look as though it was taken from the marriage certificate ro Parish Register


Marriage to George White
1880 14 Nov — Age: 21
Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
St. Stephen Church, Sheffield 9c 726, witnessed by her brother-in-law and sister, John and Sarah Oldfield

You might have to buy the 2 marriage certificates in order to sort this one out!


What is a possibility .................. could she have discovered that Mark Haslam was not her real father, assumed the real father's surname, but then put Mark's name on the certificate??


The certificate for her marriage to Will Key should show her previous names. Although I note that the record on familysearch taken from the Parish Register only shows Mark Haslem, and states that she was widowed.

Thank you so much for your reply Sylvia. This must be Sarah and George who married in 1880 in the 1881 census

WHITE, George Address: Hare & Hound Inn, Barlow Common, Barlow

WHITE, George Head Married M 31 1850 Coal Miner
Barlow, Derbyshire
WHITE, Emma Wife Married F 21 1860
Barlow, Derbyshire
BOOKER, Godfrey Lodger Married M 38 1843 Coal Miner
Barlow, Derbyshire

As you can see Emma was born in Barlow which ties in with Emma who married Will Key. They were also at the Hare and Hounds pub which is where William Key and his parents were in 1901.

I have tried to find two George White's with wives named Emma in the 1891 census but can only find one.

Having been able to confirm through the census records that Emma did have a sister named Sarah and I have found her marriage to John Oldfield. This confirms the information you found on the public tree. I'm beginning to think that the marriage I found in 1882 in Chesterfield district was another couple and perhaps one of them died prior to the 1891 census.

Chris

she married robert gamble so wrong emma bate


Emma Bate, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Robert Gamble
Birth Date: 1855
Birthplace:
Age: 27
Spouse's Name: Emma Bate
Spouse's Birth Date: 1862
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 20
Event Date: 20 Feb 1882
Event Place: Parish Of Eckington, Derbyshire, England
Father's Name: Robert Gamble
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: James Bate
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01837-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1752150
Reference ID: 603

Thank you so much safc for that info.

It's now obvious that the marriage I found was not the first marriage of Will Key's wife Emma.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Chris x