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Chrissie2394
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22 Sep 2013 23:32 |
In 1911 I have William Key born 1873 at Barlow Derbyshire at H M Prison The Royal Deaf and Dumb Institution. Not sure if I've misread what FMP say but I thought they had the records of prisoners up to 1929. Can someone tell me if only some of the records are available only I cannot find William Key in the prisoner records.
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Chris
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23 Sep 2013 00:06 |
I looked the other day for someone who was in prison in 1911 and his records were not on there either
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Moira
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23 Sep 2013 01:28 |
looks like his mum left him £75 in her will in 1932 She died 1/5/1932
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MarieCeleste
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23 Sep 2013 09:58 |
Chris, there are quite a number of mentions in the newspaper archives of a William Key (or may be more than one with the same name) in Derbyshire who seemed to keep the police busy with relatively minor offences.
Can you tell me more about your William (address, occupation, etc) and I'll see what I can find. EDIT: See from the 1911 that he's a coal miner hewer)
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MarieCeleste
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23 Sep 2013 10:03 |
Could this be him?
Headline: BELPER PETTY SESSIONS.
Publication:Derby Daily Telegraph Publication date:Thursday 22 September 1910
Article text: The Language of Key. William Key, a Heage collier, was summoned for using indecent language on Kilburn Road on the 5th inst. He pleaded guilty, fined 1s and 7s 6d cost.
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Chrissie2394
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23 Sep 2013 15:47 |
Thank you all for your replies. This is William in 1901
Hare & Hounds Inn, Top Common, Barlow
KEY, William Head Married M 57 1844 Beer Retailer Barlow, Derbyshire KEY, Betsy Wife Married F 54 1847 Barlow, Derbyshire KEY, Will Son Single M 28 1873 Coal Miner Loader Below Ground Barlow, Derbyshire
Looks like this is the Heage William in 1911
KEY, William Address: Bridle Lane Ripley
ALLEN, John Head Married52 years M 78 1833 Bridge Yard Labourer Retired Loughborough Leicesters ALLEN, Mary Wife Married 52 years F 72 1839 Chaddesden Derbys LOWE, William Lodger Married M 62 1849 Coal Miner Hewer Ripley Derby >>>>KEY, William Lodger Bachelor M 60 1851 Coal Miner Hewer Heage Derby
In the 1911 census my Will is shown as married. It looks like he married Emma White at St Lawrence church, Barlow in 1901.
Think this is her in 1901
WHITE, Emma Address: Top Common, Barlow
WHITE, Emma Head Widow F 40 1861 General Charwoman Barlow, Derbyshire WHITE, Charles Son Single M 7 1894 School Barlow, Derbyshire
In 1911 - Wiles Row Commonside Barlow
KEY, Emma Head Married F 50 1861 Barlow Derbyshire WHITE, Charles Son Single M 17 1894 Banksman Coal Mine Barlow Derbyshire WHITE, Harry Grandson M 2 1909 Barlow Derbyshire
I'd love to find out more about William. Could anyone tell me if there was probate for either William or Emma. I believe William died in 1940 and Emma possibly in 1948 however age is a bit out but the Emma Key death was not in Chesterfield where I expected but in Belper district.
Chris
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safc
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23 Sep 2013 16:07 |
Will Key, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 " Name: Will Key Birth Date: 1873 Birthplace: Age: 28 Spouse's Name: Emma White Spouse's Birth Date: 1862 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 39 Event Date: 14 Aug 1901 Event Place: Barlow, Derbyshire, England Father's Name: William Key Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Mark Haslam Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Widowed Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01073-2 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1752124 Reference ID: p130 i566
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safc
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23 Sep 2013 16:13 |
William Key, "England and Wales Census, 1881" Name: William Key Age (Original): 37 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1844 Birthplace: Barlow, Derbyshire, England Relationship to Head of Household: Head Marital Status: Married Occupation: Coal Miner Address: Newgate Event Place: Barlow, Derbyshire, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1341824 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 3444 / 6 Page Number: 6 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head William Key M 37 Barlow, Derbyshire, England Wife Betsey Key F 33 Barlow, Derbyshire, England Daughter Rosa Key F 12 Barlow, Derbyshire, England Daughter Mary Key F 10 Barlow, Derbyshire, England Daughter Jane Ann Key F 9 Barlow, Derbyshire, England Son William Key M 8 Barlow, Derbyshire, England Daughter Annie Key F 4 Barlow, Derbyshire, England
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Chrissie2394
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23 Sep 2013 16:14 |
safc thank you so much for that, really appreciate it. So much for me thinking Emma's maiden name was Bate.
Chris
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Chrissie2394
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24 Sep 2013 15:46 |
The marriage details safc found for me have left me with another query. Her fathers name is given as Mark Haslam. Her previous marriage:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%) >>>Bate Emma Chesterfield 7b 800 DAVENPORT Susannah Chesterfield 7b 800 GAMBLE Robert Chesterfield 7b 800 >>>White George Chesterfield 7b 800
I cannot find a previous marriage Haslam to Bate. Any advice please.
Chris
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SylviaInCanada
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25 Sep 2013 05:27 |
????????
1871 Census
Name: Emma Haslam Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Mark Haslam Mother's Name: Maria Haslam Gender: Female Where born: Barlow, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Great Barlow Ecclesiastical parish: Lichfield County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration District: Chesterfield Sub-registration District: Dronfield
Mark Haslam 58 b.ca 1813, Barlow, Tailor Maria Haslam 52 b.ca 1819, Barlow William Haslam 30 b.ca 1841, Barlow, Widower, Stone Mason John Haslam 19 b.ca 1852, Barlow, Farm Labourer Emma Haslam 11 Scholar
Address:- Barlow Lees
This is on one Public Family Tree on ancestry ....................
it does look as though it was taken from the marriage certificate ro Parish Register
Marriage to George White 1880 14 Nov — Age: 21 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England St. Stephen Church, Sheffield 9c 726, witnessed by her brother-in-law and sister, John and Sarah Oldfield
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SylviaInCanada
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25 Sep 2013 05:32 |
You might have to buy the 2 marriage certificates in order to sort this one out!
What is a possibility .................. could she have discovered that Mark Haslam was not her real father, assumed the real father's surname, but then put Mark's name on the certificate??
The certificate for her marriage to Will Key should show her previous names. Although I note that the record on familysearch taken from the Parish Register only shows Mark Haslem, and states that she was widowed.
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Chrissie2394
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25 Sep 2013 20:20 |
Thank you so much for your reply Sylvia. This must be Sarah and George who married in 1880 in the 1881 census
WHITE, George Address: Hare & Hound Inn, Barlow Common, Barlow
WHITE, George Head Married M 31 1850 Coal Miner Barlow, Derbyshire WHITE, Emma Wife Married F 21 1860 Barlow, Derbyshire BOOKER, Godfrey Lodger Married M 38 1843 Coal Miner Barlow, Derbyshire
As you can see Emma was born in Barlow which ties in with Emma who married Will Key. They were also at the Hare and Hounds pub which is where William Key and his parents were in 1901.
I have tried to find two George White's with wives named Emma in the 1891 census but can only find one.
Having been able to confirm through the census records that Emma did have a sister named Sarah and I have found her marriage to John Oldfield. This confirms the information you found on the public tree. I'm beginning to think that the marriage I found in 1882 in Chesterfield district was another couple and perhaps one of them died prior to the 1891 census.
Chris
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safc
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26 Sep 2013 13:02 |
she married robert gamble so wrong emma bate
Emma Bate, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 " Name: Robert Gamble Birth Date: 1855 Birthplace: Age: 27 Spouse's Name: Emma Bate Spouse's Birth Date: 1862 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 20 Event Date: 20 Feb 1882 Event Place: Parish Of Eckington, Derbyshire, England Father's Name: Robert Gamble Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: James Bate Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01837-9 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1752150 Reference ID: 603
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Chrissie2394
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26 Sep 2013 13:34 |
Thank you so much safc for that info.
It's now obvious that the marriage I found was not the first marriage of Will Key's wife Emma.
Thanks everyone for your help.
Chris x
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