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Peter
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19 Sep 2013 01:18 |
Hi there,
Looking for my ancestor Betty/Elizabeth Monkhouse in the 1851 census - I know all about her marriage which took place in 1803 in Bolton to Michael Monkhouse (her maiden name was Hurst). All I am looking is Betty in 1851 (for her birthplace) and any information on her birth.
She didn't die until 1860 and I have searched but can't see her.
Here she is in 1841, mistranscribed:
1841 England Census about Elizabeth Markland Name: Elizabeth Markland [Elizabeth Monkhouse] Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1785 Gender: Female Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Bolton Le Moors Hundred: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View Image Registration District: Bolton Sub-registration District: Little Bolton Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 536 Book: 9 Folio: 27 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Michael Markland 60 Elizabeth Markland 56 Hannah Markland 11 Jane Markland 9 Mary Horroben 35 John Horroben 13 Robert Horroben 11 Betty Horroben 8 Michael Horroben 6 Jacob Horroben 4 Henry Horroben 2
Here is her death:
Name: Betsy Monkhouse Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1860 Registration District: Bolton Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 161
Thank you in advance!
Peter
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SylviaInCanada
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19 Sep 2013 04:56 |
I found this death for husband Michael on ancestry .................
Manchester, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985 Name: Michael Monkhouse Age: 63 Burial Date: 7 Jan 1844 Parish: Bolton le Moors, St Peter Parish as it Appears: Bolton-le-Moors Reference Number: GB127.L243/1/5/12
Note the Parish
I then found this marriage on www.familysearch.org/
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Michael Monkhouse Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Betty Hurst Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 13 Apr 1803 Event Place: Saint Peter,Bolton Le Moors,Lancashire,England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00715-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 0844811 IT 2, 559179, 559180 Reference ID: Sources
same Parish!
There are also recorrds of several children with parents Michael and Betty Monkhouse, in Little Bolton, different parish
There are even a Jane and a Hannah ................. but this Hannah was baptised in 1821, and the Jane in 1828 ............. so older than the Hannah and Jane on the 1841 Census.
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SylviaInCanada
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19 Sep 2013 05:37 |
The marriage of Michael Monkhouse and Betty Hurst is also on ancestry, and you can also look at the Parish Register.
It does not however give any more information, except that the witnesses were William Southern and Wm Orrell
These two witnesses also witnessed 2 more marriages on the same page, so were probably what is called "professional witnesses" ........................ men (usually) who would witness a marriage for a small payment.
Also on ancestry, in case you do not have them
Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 about Hannah Monkhouse Name: Hannah Monkhouse Age: Full Age Marriage Date: 14 Sep 1845 Parish: Bolton le Moors, St Peter Parish as it Appears: Bolton-le-Moors Father's Name: Michael Monkhouse Spouse's Name: James Lever Spouse's Father's Name: William Lever Reference Number: GB127.L243/1/4/32
Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 about Jane Monkhouse Name: Jane Monkhouse Age: Full Age Marriage Date: 18 Feb 1857 Parish: Bolton le Moors, St Peter Parish as it Appears: Bolton-le-Moors Father's Name: Michael Monkhouse Spouse's Name: John Powell Spouse's Father's Name: William Powell Reference Number: GB127.L243/1/4/43
This might be another ............
Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 about Sarah Crosby Name: Sarah Crosby Age: Of Full Age Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1843 Parish: Deane, St Mary Parish as it Appears: Deane Father's Name: Michael Monkhouse Spouse's Name: Joseph Pickram Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Pickram Reference Number: GB127.L85/1/3/10
Sarah is shown as a widow, and Michael is a Joiner, as he is on the other 2 certificates
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ErikaH
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19 Sep 2013 08:31 |
Look at the following........you may find it informative
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/help-and-advice/knowledge-base/census/known-issues#2
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ErikaH
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19 Sep 2013 08:36 |
This confirms her birth year
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1860 Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference MONKHOUSE Betsy 75 Little Bolton Bolton LB/25/154
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ErikaH
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19 Sep 2013 08:41 |
Baptism: 15 Jan 1804 St George, Bolton, Lancashire, England Jacob Monkhouse - Son of Michael Monkhouse & Betty Abode: G. Bolton Register: Baptisms 1796 - 1812, Page 14 Source: LDS Film 1966136
Baptism: 19 Jan 1806 St George, Bolton, Lancashire, England Mary Monkhouse - Daughter of Michael Monkhouse & Betty Abode: L. B. Register: Baptisms 1796 - 1812, Page 19 Source: LDS Film 1966136
Baptism: 26 Jun 1808 St George, Bolton, Lancashire, England Sarah Monkhouse - Daughter of Michael Monkhouse & Betty Abode: L. Bolton Register: Baptisms 1796 - 1812, Page 25 Source: LDS Film 1966136
Baptism: 11 Nov 1810 St George, Bolton, Lancashire, England Jane Monkhouse - Daughter of Michael Monkhouse & Betty Abode: Little Bolton Register: Baptisms 1796 - 1812, Page 30 Source: LDS Film 1966136
Baptism: 3 Jan 1813 St George, Bolton, Lancashire, England Margaret Monkhouse - Daughter of Michael Monkhouse & Betty Abode: Little Bolton Occupation: joiner Baptised by: William Thistlethwaite, Perp. Curate Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1856, Page 1, Entry 2 Source: LDS Film 1966156 item 1
Baptism: 27 May 1821 St George, Bolton, Lancashire, England Hannah Monkhouse - Daughter of Michael Monkhouse & Betty Abode: Little Bolton Occupation: joiner Baptised by: William Thistlethwaite, Minister Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1856, Page 44, Entry 350 Source: LDS Film 1966156 item 1
Baptism: 18 May 1828 St George, Bolton, Lancashire, England Jane Monkhouse - Daughter of Michael Monkhouse & Betty Abode: Little Bolton Occupation: joiner Baptised by: William Thistlethwaite, Minister Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1856, Page 79, Entry 626 Source: LDS Film 1966156 item 1 There were 7 matches for this search!
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ErikaH
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19 Sep 2013 08:42 |
Not with her daughter..................
1851 census
Person: LEVER, Hannah Address: 2, Gales Square, All Saints, Bolton
LEVER, James Head Married M 27 1824 Labourer Our Servant Bolton, Lancashire VIEW LEVER, Hannah Wife Married F 27 1824 Bolton, Lancashire VIEW LEVER, William Son M 8 1843 Bolton, Lancashire VIEW HORISTON, John Nephew Married M 25 1826 Painter Bolton, Lancashire VIEW HORISTON, Maria Niece Married F 22 1829 Factory Hand Bolton, Lancashire VIEW CROSSLEY, Margaret Niece Unmarried F 20 1831 Weaver Cotton Bolton, Lancashire VIEW MONKHOUSE, Jane Sister In Law Unmarried F 23 1828 Factory Hand Bolton, Lancashire
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Peter
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19 Sep 2013 16:27 |
Hi there, thank you so much for this help. Hannah Lever (nee Monkhouse) is my direct ancestor, through a son Michael Lever, born 1853.
On another NOTE, I wonder if the ages of Hannah and Jane MONKHOUSE shown in the 1841, were merely incorrectly recorded?
What do you think? I have ASSUMED that but wonder if I need to investigate further?
Cheers,
Peter
PS Fascinating link about the missing census returns!
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Peter
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19 Sep 2013 16:30 |
It is a real shame I can't find Betty in 1851 - would confirm her birthplace to then look for her parents etc!
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patchem
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19 Sep 2013 17:29 |
Have you got her actual death certificate to see if it gives any further clue?
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Peter
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19 Sep 2013 21:48 |
I don't patchem. Although I suspect there would be little clue.
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patchem
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20 Sep 2013 06:46 |
Having the address and name of informant and you may be lucky
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Peter
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21 Sep 2013 21:29 |
Yes with it being so close to 1861 - I'll think about buying
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