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The birth registration suggested is too late for a September 1884 birth

But, as the death registration records his birth as December, it changes the picture.

Phylis and Marjorie belong to this family:

1911 census transcription details for: 55 Meadow Street Llanhilleth Mon
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN31893 RG78PN1835 RD586 SD1 ED4 SN132
Reg. District: Pontypool
Sub District: Llanhilleth
Parish: Llanhilleth
Enum. District: 4
Address: 55 Meadow Street Llanhilleth Mon
County: Monmouthshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BYRNES, Louis B Head Married M 31 1880 Butcher Middlesex London
BYRNES, Florence Wife Married 5 years F 30 1881 Surrey Wimbledon
BYRNES, Josephine E Daughter Single F 4 1907 School Somerset Bath
BYRNES, Phylis E Daughter Single F 3 1908 Glamorgan Pontypridd
BYRNES, Marjorie D Daughter Single F 2 1909 Glamorgan Pontypridd

Dea x

thank you very much im stil trying to put in the siblings on here at the moment so i havent looked.

If the Irish 1901 census is the correct family then this must have some connection - the address is the same 'May Lane':


John Byrnes in entry for Edward Byrnes, "Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881"
Name: Edward Byrnes
Gender: Male
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 01 Feb 1876
Birthplace: Waterford, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Byrnes
Father's Birthplace: May Lane
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Byrnes Phelan
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00584-2
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
GS Film number: 255949
Reference ID: v B4-2 p 955

I don't understand the name for Mary as Mary Byrnes Phelan ??

Dea x

Looks like there could be 2 earlier children:

Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
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Byrnes Phyllis Edna Pontypridd 11a 557

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Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
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Byrnes Marjorie Doreen Pontypridd 11a 543

But haven't had any luck tracing them on the 1911 census either

ok thats a great help ill do that and see where i go thank you all so much for your help it means a great deal. x :-)

my mothers uncle new the infomation as hes also a decendant of richard i have no other info exept decandants that are in ny tree.

You can actually add Richard's siblings to your tree............Just add a father with forename 'Unknown'..........then attach them

Richard's offspring - but can't see him in Wales in 1911

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Byrnes Christopher J Edge Pontypridd 11a 1007
Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
Byrnes Elizabeth M Edge Pontypridd 11a 1000
Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
Byrnes Richard J Edge Pontypridd 11a 1185
Births Mar 1924 (>99%)
Byrnes Nicholas J Edge Pontypridd 11a 957
Byrnes Francis J Edge Pontypridd 11a 977
Births Mar 1928 (>99%)
Byrnes Eileen Edge Pontypridd 11a 838

Irish 1901 and 1911 censuses are free.........check them out at

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

A few of the siblings names are the same - could just be a coincidence though:

Burns John 40 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Waterford City General Labourer Cannot read - Married -
Burns Mary 41 Female Wife Roman Catholic Waterford City House Keeper Cannot read - Married -
Burns Ellen 20 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Waterford City Factory Girl Cannot read - Not Married -
Burns Richard 16 Male Son Roman Catholic Waterford City Bottle Washer Read and write - Not Married -
Burns John 14 Male Son Roman Catholic Waterford City Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Burns Joseph 7 Male Son Roman Catholic Waterford City Scholar Cannot read - Not Married -
Burns Francis 5 Male Son Roman Catholic Waterford City - Cannot read -

Parents & son John still at same address (May Lane) in 1911

Well, he and Mary didn't marry in England/Wales, as far as I can see

How did you find the names of Richard's siblings, without knowing the names of the parents?

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Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
about Richard Christopher Burns Name: Richard Christopher Burns
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1885
Registration District: Waterford
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 4
Page: 812
FHL Film Number: 101060

sorry my mistake his dob is 23.091884 i have 1980 as his death . i have mary edge as his partner and his siblings are
edward
nicholas
james
ellen
thomas
john
james
joseph
francis
and im not sure if there is a william too
i apreicate any help.

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Richard Christopher Burns
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1885
Registration District: Waterford
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 4
Page: 812
FHL Film Number: 101060

Pure speculation:

Richard Christopher Byrnes
Birth Date: 24 Dec 1884
Date of Registration: Sep 1980
Age at Death: 95
Registration District: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Mid-Glamorgan
Volume: 27
Page: 1392

Looks like the right chap, born Waterford according to Natashia's tree

We would need a little more info on your great grandfather please if we are to try to help.

Where and when was he born?

Do you have details of his wife and children?

In fact, please tell us everything you have on him and we can then see if we can try to find his parents.

Thanks,

Dea x

His birth certificate will have his parents names on it.

An idea of his birth place and year would help please?

hi i have some relatives that i cant add to my tree,they r the brothers and sisters of my great grandfather named above but none of my family remember the names of his parents any ideas on how i can find out who his parents are any help would be great .
natasha.