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Hi Rootgatherer,

I overlooked your post so thanks for the input.

My tree is the catherinestephens42

Looking at the 1841 census image I noticed that the person beneath this Sophia is ? Kieffer. The listing on the right hand side has a Sarah Kieffer linked to Sophia's entry. I found her on the 1851 as Head of house surname Kieffer age 27 with a child and an Elizabeth Good age 30 living with her. Whether or not this Sophia married Mr Kieffer I can't find,but I don't think Sophia Gude 1841 Census is mine?

Thanks again for taking a look

Blue1

Hi Roy,

Not sure you will see this today. I was unable to log back in.

Thanks for the input,I hadn't found these Elizabeth's before.

I did consider Elizabeth middle name as being part of a naming pattern. My own Scottish family have used mothers/Grandmothers maiden names as middle names right down to my Grandmother,which made tracing easier.

I've had a look at the Elizabeth's you found. I have no knowledge whatsoever of Welsh tradition etc including lack of knowledge of geography so will take me some time to find out how near to Welshpool these places are. I'll have a go today. Also I noticed that some of the fathers were Humphrey Humphreys! I believe they used a Patronymic way of naming at some point in Welsh history,so lot's of learning for me.

I really don't know how to go forward with the search for Elizabeth's roots

I do know that none of her children had the name of Humphreys in their names.

There is one name that sounds a bit Welsh though. One of her sons was Charles Owen Good and a grandaughter was Charlotte Elizabeth Owen Green!

Maybe her birth name was Elizabeth Humphreys Owen and her father was Charles?

Something to think about! but I would need to find a marriage for Elizabeth Humphreys Owen to a Richard Good! somewhere.

Her first child was born in the Peckham area of London so maybe London marriages and banns would be worth looking at, which I'll do today.

If I find it I will post it here. I only have Ancestry though so if it's not on there I won't get any further.

Thanks to all again for giving me food for thought. This forum is great for that!

All the best
Blue1

The marriage place for Sophia is Lambeth - the Sophia on the 1841 census is living in Lambeth.
Not seeing Joseph on the 1841 census (nice portrait of him on Ancestry).

It is possible that it is the same Sophie. When you look at the 1841 census on the same page as Sophia, the servants seem to work for people of means. Not seeing that Sophia on later census or any marriages or deaths before 1851 for a Sophia Gude.



The actual image of the marriage entry is on Ancestry.

These are the "user submitted" comments

Sophia Matilda Good rather than Sophia Matilda Good
Correction due to an error in transcription.
Submitted by epandya on 20/02/2012
Sophia Matilda Good rather than Sophia Matilda Good
Thomas Joseph Green is the husband and Thomas Peat Green is his father
Submitted by catherinestephens42 on 28/08/2010

From the 1871 census you posted

[Elizabeth Humphreys Good]

Age: 91
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780

Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Welshpool; Moggerhanger, Wales
[Welshpool; Montgomeryshire, Wales]

Have you considered that her middle name (Humphreys) could have 2 or more meanings, 1, she was illegitimate and Humphreys is her fathers surname or 2, she kept her maiden name after marriage, My wife has kept her maiden name as a middle name and it is included in the names of our children.

Their are several Elizabeth Humphreys baptisms listed 1780 +/- 5 years in the Welshpool Montgomeryshire area

http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl

Roy

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who helped out.

I have to go out now but will check back later in case by chance a miracle has happened and sense was made of my rambling on by someone!


all the best
Blue1

Hi

It's the correct name and Surrey as place of birth,but Sophia Married a Surgeon.On this census it says her occ is FS not sure they would be in the same circles what do you think

Blue1

Hi rootgatherer,

I had forgotten that about the ages

I'll just check it out on Ancestry

Back in a mo

Reggie

so sorry over looked this no father mentioned! 1833

The only one of these children who says father is deceased is Augustus Good in 1848!

Name: Sarah Good
Spouse Name: Charles Spice
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Apr 1833
Parish: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

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Just says Richard Good Baker,neither dead or alive! 1859
Name: Julia Good
Spouse Name: John Ellis
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Oct 1859
Parish: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Spouse Father Name: John Ellis
Register Type: Parish Register

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Just says father Richard Good, Baker 1842

Name: Sophia Matilda Good
[User-submitted-comment]
Spouse Name: Thomas Joseph Pruce
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Apr 1842
Parish: Streatham St Leonard
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Richard Good
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Peak Pruce
Register Type: Parish Register

--------------------------------
Here Augustus gives father as Richard Good DECEASED 1848

Name: Gertrude Buttersworth
Spouse Name: Augustus Good
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Jun 1848
Parish: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Miestress
Spouse Father Name: Richard Good
Register Type: Parish Register

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Here father Richard Good a Baker 1851
Augusta Good
Spouse Name: Charles Spice
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Nov 1851
Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Richard Good
Spouse Father Name: Zachariah Spice
Register Type: Parish Register
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Blue1

??? Remember ages were rounded down to multples of 5 for 1841 census


1841

Name: Sophia Gude
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration District: Lambeth
Sub-registration District: Kennington First
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1055
Book: 9
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Ireland 30
Sophia Gude 20
Michl Kieffer 50

Well saying that Reggie!

What I meant was they don't say deceased! I'll check through and see which ones say dead or alive

Hi Stuart

that sounds reasonable re the couple together as they are both described as Baker's. Maybe neither were about during the census.

I don't know,no marriage birth or death for either of them,no census together or with any of the children prior to 1871.

So this does look like a dead end as far a Elizabeth's maiden name is concerned and info for Richard

Thanks to Reggie and your self for taking the time

Blue1

From your other thread..............


I do have marriages for the children and the father is alive up until 1851 at least, but not found on the census.

Elizabeth probably born somewhere between Welshpool and Shrewsbury, so whichever came into her head when asked or
Welshpool might not have been familiar to people from out of the area, whereas they may have heard of Shrewsbury.
If her husband was a Baker perhaps he was busy baking overnight and so not with the family at census time.

Thanks for the burial Reggie.

I've had a look at the last child born in 1827 and hoped it would say Clerkenwell. No such luck though,birth place was Peckham. His Sarah married her widowed brother in law in 1833 but parish of Newington

See what I mean about this family,it's impossible

Blue1

So,

Reggie may have found her in the 1851 living in the same area of London as her son Thomas.The only info on it is her name age status (W) and independent plus place of birth Shrewsbury and not Welshpool!

But she is still not with her husband Richard. I have had no luck at all finding a marriage for the couple either in England or Wales

I just can't work out how to find her marriage if there is one to Richard Good,so no nearer a maiden name.


Blue1

???????


Name: Richard Goode
Event Type: Burial

Death Place:
Burial Date: 03 Nov 1830
Burial Place: Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Affiliate Publication Number: RG6_0418

Hi Reggie,
Thank you

It seems Welshpool is only about 18 miles from Shrewsbury. If it's her I wonder why she didn't say Welshpool as in the 1871?

I'll have a look at the census to see if it gives any other info

It did occur to me to look for parents with child in the 1841 and
Sophia Matilda Good didn't marry until 1842,but I have had no luck as yet with her on the 1841 either

Blue1

It is....................

Hi Reggie,

I suppose it would be in the correct area as her son Thomas lived there. I'll have a look and see if Welshpool is near Shrewsbury.

Could this be Elizabeth in1851?

1851 census


Person: GOOD, Elizabeth Address: 10, Wyndham Road Elizabeth Place, St Giles Camberwell

GOOD, Elizabeth Widow F 73 1778 Independent
Shrewsbury, Shropshire VIEW