Thanks to all your help we have William & Annie married 9 Jun 1884, followed by birth of Gertrude Alice in 1895. Then a blank for 9 years with the presumed but unproven death of William. Annie then marries John Thomas in Spring 1894 and Davey is born in 1896 and brother James in 1898 followed by latecomer Ethel in 1905 when Annie was already around 40! Gertrude married Alfred Pinchem and by 1911 had had two sons William & Fred.
It would be good to nail what happened to William - any ideas? In those days divorce was surely just not an option and for Annie to remarry her first husband would have to have died - wouldn't he? What evidence could Annie have produced if we cannot now find any?
Annie' and William were both living in Sow Hill Pontypool at the time of their marriage when her father Cornelius was shown as a collier.
Guy M
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Births Dec 1885 (>99%) Mayers Gertrude Alice Pontypool 11a 124
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Guy
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Yes, there are several William' Mayers's but you have the right one in the 1871 census. Annie was the daughter of Cornelius Murphy and the marriage cert shows her as 21 i.e born 1863 but I haven't chased her birth cert. Any ideas as to what happened to this couple?
I can't find an Annie Murphy born Bristol with Cornelius as father. I did wonder at this though. Also living in Trevithen.
1871 census transcription details for: High Street, Pontypool
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 5331 Folio: 96 Page: 52 Reg. District: Pontypool Sub District: Pontypool Parish: Pontypool Enum. District: 3 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: High Street, Pontypool County: Monmouthshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born MURPHY, Cornelus Head M 34 1837 forgeman Ireland MURPHY, Hannah Wife F 34 1837 Newport, Ireland MURPHY, Mary Ann Daughter F 13 1858 Monmouthshire MURPHY, Kate Daughter F 11 1860 Monmouthshire >>MURPHY, Hannah Daughter F 9 1862 Monmouthshire MURPHY, James Son M 7 1864 Monmouthshire MURPHY, Edwin Son M 2 1869 Monmouthshire
1861 Wales Census about Comelins Murphy Name: Comelins Murphy [Cornelius Murphy] Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Murphy Gender: Male Where born: Cork, Ireland Civil Parish or Township: Newport St Woollos Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Registration District: Newport Sub-registration District: Newport ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household Schedule Number: 70C Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4019 Folio: 28 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Comelins Murphy mason's labourer 27 Ann Murphy 27 b Newport, Ireland Mary Ann Murphy 4 Kate Murphy 2
Perhaps you could tell us what Cornelius' occupation was on the MC please?
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1911 THOMAS, John Head Married M 52 1859 General Labourer Ebbw Vale Mon VIEW THOMAS, Annie Wife Married18 years F 48 1863 Bristol Somt VIEW THOMAS, David Son Single M 16 1895 Errand Boy Pontypool Mon VIEW THOMAS, James Son Single M 14 1897 School Pontypool Mon VIEW THOMAS, Ethel Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Newport Mon VIEW MURPHY, James Boarder Widower M 45 1866 Coster Pontypool Mon VIEW PINCHEN, Alfred Son In Law Married M 28 1883 Labourer Steel Sheet Miler Frome Somt VIEW PINCHEN, Gertrude Stepdaughter Married3 years F 26 1885 Pontypool Mon VIEW PINCHEN, William Grandson Single M 3 1908 Newport Mon VIEW PINCHEN, Fredrick Grandson Single M 1 1910 Newport Mon VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 31989
Reference: RG14PN31989 RG78PN1840 RD587 SD2 ED30 SN345
Registration District: Newport
Sub District: Newport
Enumeration District: 30
Parish: Newport
Address: 1 Llanvair Road Newport Mon:
County: Monmouthshire
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????????? istration event: Marriage View the original image
Name: MAYERS, Annie
Registration district: [?] Newport (Monmouthshire)
County: Monmouthshire
Year of registration: 1894
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name Not available before 1912
Volume no: [?] 11A
Page no: [?] 352 MarriageFinderâ„¢: [?] Annie Mayers married one of the following people Record THOMAS, John VIEW THOMAS, William James VIEW THOMAS, Elizabeth Harriett
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Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mayers Annie Newport, M. 11a 352
Thomas John Newport, M. 11a 352
1901
RG number: RG13 Piece: 4960 Folio: 73 Page: 4 Reg. District: Newport Sub District: Newport Parish: Newport Enum. District: 37 Ecclesiastical District: All Saints Crindan City/Municipal Borough: Address: 17, Edwin Street, Newport County: Monmouthshire
THOMAS, John Head Married M 42 1859 Iron Worker Puddler Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire THOMAS, Annie Wife Married F 37 1864 Bristol, Somersetshire THOMAS, Gertie Daughter Single F 15 1886 Pontypool, Monmouthshire THOMAS, Davey J Son Single M 5 1896 Pontypool, Monmouthshire THOMAS, James Son Single M 3 1898 Pontypool, Monmouthshire
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a tree on ancestry has them having a daughter gertrude alice Mayer in 1885 in pontypool married 1908 to alfred pinchen. Down as gertude Thomas mother Annie Thomas
1901
1901 Wales Census about Annie Thomas Name: Annie Thomas Age in 1901: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Thomas Gender: Female Where born: Bristol, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Newport Ecclesiastical parish: Crindau All Saints County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street Address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration District: Newport (Monmouthshire) Sub-registration District: Newport ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 21 Piece: 4960 Folio: 73 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age John Thomas 42 Annie Thomas 37 Gertie Thomas 15 Daney J Thomas 5 James Thomas 3
I do not know how accurate this is Maddie
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Ah, I see same info has been added later
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There is this in 1881
Head of house could be either W or M
same address
W Mayers Age:16 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1865 Relation:Son Father's Name:M Mayers Mother's Name:Mary Mayers Where born:Pontypool, Monmouth, Wales Civil Parish:Trevethin County/Island:Monmouthshire Street Address:Gwent Street
M Mayers 45 Mary Mayers 40 Thomas Mayers 19 W Mayers 16 George Mayers 13 Joseph Mayers 11 Martha Mayers 8 Arthur Mayers 4 Alice Mayers
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Guy, for our ref. is this William?
1871 census transcription details for: Gwent Street, Trevethin, Pontypool Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 5331 Folio: 66 Page: 5 Reg. District: Pontypool Sub District: Pontypool Parish: Trevethin Enum. District: 3 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Gwent Street, Trevethin, Pontypool County: Monmouthshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born MAYERS, William Head M 34 1837 Monmouthshire MAYERS, Mary Wife F 30 1841 Monmouthshire MAYERS, John Son M 12 1859 Monmouthshire MAYERS, Thomas Son M 9 1862 Monmouthshire >.MAYERS, William Son M 6 1865 Monmouthshire MAYERS, George Son M 3 1868 Monmouthshire MAYERS, Joseph Son M 0 1871 Monmouthshire
1881 census transcription details for: Gwent Street, Trevethin With Pontypool Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 5250 Folio: 81 Page: 18 Reg. District: Pontypool Sub District: Pontypool Parish: Trevethin with Pontypool Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Gwent Street, Trevethin With Pontypool County: Monmouthshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born M MAYERS, ? Head Married M 45 1836 Coal Miner Pontypool, Monmouthshire MAYERS, Mary Wife Married F 40 1841 Pontypool, Monmouthshire MAYERS, Thomas Son Single M 19 1862 Coal Miner Pontypool, Monmouthshire >>W MAYERS, ? Son Single M 16 1865 Coal Miner Pontypool, Monmouthshire MAYERS, George Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar Pontypool, Monmouthshire MAYERS, Joseph Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar Pontypool, Monmouthshire MAYERS, Martha Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar Pontypool, Monmouthshire MAYERS, Arthur Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar Pontypool, Monmouthshire MAYERS, Alice Daughter Single F 0 1881 Pontypool, Monmouthshire
What about Annie, where was she born and What were her parents' names please?
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Dare I ask again? William b 1865 married Annie b 1863 at the Pontypool registry office on 9 June 1884 after which I can find no definitive record. He was then a collier like his dad. No census records that I can find. No death records. No obvious entries as having emigrated in the "Travel" section on GR. The Regimental & service records show 5 entries, none very conclusive. It would be good to have some advice as to how I track them down
GUy Mayers
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