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Hey thanks for that Christina - it is quite hard doing this long distance, I'm in New Zealand, and so every little bit of help I get is most appreciated :-)

You know, I didn't even notice that. Bit early in the morning.

Here's what I should have posted.

Year:1803
Month:Nov
Day:15
County:Northamptonshire
Place:Chipping Warden
Forename:William
Surname:Perkins
Parish:Chipping Warden
Spouses Forename:Alice
Spouses Surname:Amos
Spouses Parish:Chipping Warden
Spouses Condition:S
Licence or Banns:Banns
Event Type:Marriage
amptonshire Marriages
Data provider:Northamptonshire Family History Society

If that was the reading of the banns, then presumably the actual event took place a week or two later? - do you know if there was any sort of pattern for how long between the banns and the wedding generally?

Wow! Christina, you're great, thank you for that - amazing what shows up when you go away and do a few hours honest work! :-)

Year:1803
Month:Oct
Day:23
County:Northamptonshire
Place:Chipping Warden
Forename:William
Surname:Perkins
Parish:Chipping Warde
Spouses Forename:Alice
Spouses Surname:Amos
Spouses Parish:Chipping Warden
Event Type:Banns
Record source:Northamptonshire Marriages

No it doesn't, but that wasn't that unusual....I have a fair number of twins in my tree, sadly most died as babies but I do have one set born 1832 that survived to adulthood so they could be twins....you just need to find baptisms for them

Thanks Jax, I was aware of that, it's just that if this is the family, then George born 1818, two brothers around 1820 and then another in 1821 - doesn't leave much time between them does it? ;)

In the 1841 census the enumerators were told to round the ages down for any one over the age of 15

So when you see 2 or even 3 or 4 members of the same family being the same age on that census like the one above they could be anything from 20 to 24 not actually twins....they could be of course but the survival rate wasn't very good back then so in most cases unlikely

I did come across a tree which named the father as Richard, and which had a William and a Daniel born 1820 - I wondered if they could have been twins? I wasn't sure about the father's name, but maybe it could be a candidate, I just looked at my notes from that tree and it showed Alice born Chipping Warden too

1841 ??

Name: Alice Perkins
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Bloxham
Hundred: Bloxham
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Banbury
Sub-registration District: Bloxham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 875
Book: 8
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Perkins 65
George Perkins 20
William Perkins 20
Frederick Perkins 1

Class: HO107; Piece: 875; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Bloxham; County: Oxfordshire; Enumeration District: 12; Folio: 6; Page: 5; Line: 3; GSU roll: 474572.



Are William and Daniel the same person - if not then his baptisms needs to be checked or find him on 1841 census

Unfortunately I am not a member of Ancestry.com as I can't afford it, although I do have a tree on Mundia, but can't find much to confirm the details I am seeking, hence my request for help on GR,through the good graces of people like yourself.

On the 1861 census for Alice Perkins there is a daughter Hannah

Have you found her in 1841 just in case the father was still alive

Think she is on 1851 as Rickens but terrible image

Thanks for that, it's a different birth than I had found - Family Search also show a Sarah, b.1809, George, b.1818, and William b.1821 - does that fit with the 1841 census record you mentioned?

1851 just for info

Name: Alice Perkins
Age: 77
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1774
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Chipping Warden, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Milcombe
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration District: Banbury
Sub-registration District: Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 39
Piece: 1733
Folio: 138
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Perkins 77
Daniel Perkins 31

Class: HO107; Piece: 1733; Folio: 138; Page: 10; GSU roll: 193642.


Daniel is also listed on the 1842 criminal record

That would fit if she was born in Northamptonshire, does it show the rest of the family?

Looking at the 1841 census it shows Alice as not born in county

I got the christening record on Family Search, and it shows father as William Perkins, and mother just as Alice - the death cert gave Amos as her surname, but not father's first name

Oops, crossed posts there - thanks for that Glitterbaby, I wonder what the charge was?

Who is named as the father on the christening record ?

Also that of Frederick and William as per the 1841 census

Cheers, not so concerned about that one, as about the Amos connection, as it has been a dead-end for some time, but having confirmed George's mother's maiden name, I'd like to pursue that