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charles and Caroline phesay

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terry margaret

terry margaret Report 28 Aug 2013 14:22

Please can any one help, charles was my great great grandfather (born around 1851 ln Brighton) then moved to clerkenwell London. He married Caroline (fermer or fermor) on the 2 aug 1875 in camden London. They appear on the 1871 and then on the 1881 census with there two children Caroline and louise, all there children was put in the work house and never saw there parents again. I have found all the children but nothing of charles and Caroline, ,iv look at all death record s and still can't find them.
I would be grateful for any tips and help.
Regards terry

safc

safc Report 28 Aug 2013 14:35

????

Deaths Dec 1888 (>99%)
Feasey Caroline 29 Pancras 1b 16

Mary

Mary Report 28 Aug 2013 15:40

Found a marriage for Louisa Phesay age 22 to Henry Baker age 30 in 1903
It has her dad as Charles Henry Phesay a fishmonger doesn't say deceased!!
Witnessed by C Phesay and A Phesay

On baptism records for children of Charles and Caroline it has occupation of Charles a fishmonger.

Henry Baker born @ 1872/3 in Whittington Warwickshire a ticket examiner on marriage record and on 1901 census.
1911 they have 2 daughters.

Maryb.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Aug 2013 15:44

hello Terry - welcome to the boards

Name: Charles Phasey
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 18 May 1851
Christening Place: Brighton, Sussex, England
Father's Name: William Phasey
Mother's Name: Mary Phasey
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01354-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1067111
Reference ID: item 1 p 127

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Aug 2013 15:46

Name: Eliza Phesay
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 30 Apr 1854
Christening Place: SAINT NICHOLAS, BRIGHTON, SUSSEX, ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Phesay
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C14793-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1067112

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Aug 2013 15:46

Name: William Phesay
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Mar 1845
Christening Place: St. Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex, England
Father's Name: William Phesay
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01352-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1067109
Reference ID: item 4 p 265

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Aug 2013 15:47

Name: Henry Phasey
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 28 Mar 1847
Christening Place: St. Johns, Brighton, Sussex, England
Father's Name: William Phasey
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C14792-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1067104
Reference ID: item 2 p 3

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Aug 2013 15:49

Name: Caroline Phesay
Age (Original): 3
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1878
Birthplace: London, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Occupation:
Address: 58 Popham Rd
Event Place: Islington, Middlesex, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341057
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 264 / 138
Page Number: 69
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Charles Phesay M 29 Brighton, Sussex, England
Wife Caroline Phesay F 26 London, Middlesex, England
Daughter Caroline Phesay F 3 London, Middlesex, England
Daughter Louise Phesay F 1 London, Middlesex, England

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Aug 2013 15:50

Name: Louisa Phesay
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Female
Age: 20
Relationship to Head of Household: Servant
Birthplace: Clerkenwell, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Islington
Sub-District: Upper Holloway
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mary
Civil Parish: Islington
District/Parish/County: London, Middlesex

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Aug 2013 15:52

message sent to Terry to return

Mary

Mary Report 28 Aug 2013 16:14

Ada Elisabeth Phesay baptised 1882.
Manchester Street School Camden 10/3/1890 Ada phesay dad Charles a fishmonger previous waterloo street school.

Ada Phesay arrived in Buffalo new York 3/2/1915
Arrival contact Foster sister Edith Mitton.
departure contact sister MRS LOUISA BAKER
So it is the same family!!

Ada also made a crossing to Canada.

Maryb

terry margaret

terry margaret Report 28 Aug 2013 18:26

Thank you for all the information, I have look up the death of Caroline feasey it say she was born about 1859, but her year of birth was 1855, so not sure if it's the same person.
Hi mary
Thank you for all your amassing quick work, that has taken me mouths to find out.
You are right about ada she did go abroad and married a man name of fred, I did find the marriage between louisa and henry but wasn't sure because of charles having a middle name, even on he's marriage certificate he only name is Charles but having said that if ada contact was her sister I think you must be right.
Thank you

terry margaret

terry margaret Report 28 Aug 2013 19:47

Hi mary, just had a look at 1911 census for louisa and henry I'm not sure if I look at the same one as you, louisa was born in clerkenwell London. Where the louisa on the 1911 census was born in herfordshire?

Mary

Mary Report 28 Aug 2013 20:14

Yes it has been transcribed as Amwell Herefordshire but infact it should read Amwell Clerkenwell.

Henry Baker has the same place of birth as on 1901 census for him and his address on that is 27,Grove Road,the same address given on marriage record.

Caroline and Charles had a son Charles born 20/10/1883 he was admitted to same school as Ada on 10/3/1890.

He married Annie Maria Steadman a widow nee (Burgess) her dad was deceased but father of Charles was Charles a fishmonger and again not down as deceased.
They married 15/5/1904.

Charles 1883 was a horsekeeper.

Charles 1883 is on Electoral register as Charles Henry Phesay and he also had a son Charles Henry !!

Maryb.

terry margaret

terry margaret Report 29 Aug 2013 11:23

It has Charles down as a fishmonger on my great grandmothers marriage certificate Caroline Charlotte, not deceased ,
But if they never saw there parents again maybe they didn't no if they was still alive
I think we can safely say that louisa husband was henry.