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Thanks for your email Cynthia, very helpful as I wasn't aware of the system! I will digest some of the suggestions. I am very open to the name on the marriage certificate being made up. Charles Kettley is the fathers name on Florence's marriage certificate to Fuller.
Thanks to all who have taken the trouble to respond.

Hello and welcome to the Community Boards Jackie. :-)


As Jackie is a new poster, I'll send a friendly message on how to return to her thread. :-)

James Fuller has his second name William first on the 1911 - I would guess that Arthur combined that with his own surname for his father on the marriage record.

Ernest from the 1901 with Florence's mother in 1911:

1911 England Census
about Ernest Kettley

Name:Ernest Kettley
Age in 1911:11
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1900
Relation to Head:Grandson
Birth Place:Brentwood, Essex
Civil Parish:Brentwood
Street Address:6 North St, Brentwood, Essex
Registration District:Billericay

Elizabeth Kettley 68
Albert Kettley 25
Charles Kettley 42
Ernest Kettley 11

Florence in 1891?

1891 England Census
about Florence Kitley Name: Florence Kitley
[Florence Ketley]
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Kitley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Kitley
Gender: Female
Where born: Brentwood, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Brentwood
Ecclesiastical parish: Brentwood
Town: Brentwood
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration District: Billericay
Sub-registration District: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1381
Folio: 52
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Kitley 55
Elizabeth Kitley 48
Charles Kitley 23
Harry Kitley 20
Arthur Kitley 15
Albert Kitley 13
Florence Kitley 9
George Kitley 7

Florence Ada Kettley
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1881
Registration District: Billericay
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 290

Florence in 1891 - George from the 1911 looks to be her brother:

1891 England Census about Florence Kitley

Name:Florence Kitley
[Florence Ketley]
Age:9
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1882
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Charles Kitley
Mother's Name:Elizabeth Kitley
Gender:Female
Where born:Brentwood, Essex, England
Civil Parish:Brentwood
Registration District:
Billericay

Charles Kitley 55
Elizabeth Kitley 48
Charles Kitley 23
Harry Kitley 20
Arthur Kitley 15
Albert Kitley 13
Florence Kitley 9
George Kitley 7

?

1901 England Census
: Florena Kettley Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Head Gender: Female
Where born: Brentwood, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Brentwood Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas a Beckett
Town: Brentwood County/Island: Essex Country: England
Registration District: Billericay Sub-registration District: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household Schedule Number: 185 Piece: 1664
Folio: 16 Page Number: 23
Florena Kettley 21
Ernest W Kettley 2
Richard Kettley 5 Months
Amelia Walker 17
Arthur Walker 15
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1664; Folio: 16; Page: 23.

What is Florence's father's name on the marriage cert?

Could this be the other son who was Richard Fuller in 1911?

1901 England Census
about Richard Kettley Name: Richard Kettley
Age: 5 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Florena Kettley
Gender: Male
Where born: Brentwood, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Brentwood
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas a Beckett
Town: Brentwood
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration District: Billericay
Sub-registration District: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 185
Piece: 1664
Folio: 16
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Florena Kettley 21
Ernest W Kettley 2
Richard Kettley 5 Months
Amelia Walker 17
Arthur Walker 15

Florence is single, Ernest & Richard are her sons.

Whose son was Richard? Is James Fuller shown as a widower on the marriage cert?

Is this him in 1911?

1911 England Census
about Arthur Fuller Name: Arthur Fuller
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brentwood, Essex
Civil Parish: Brentwood
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 9 Railway Square, Brentwood, Essex
Marital Status: Single
Registration District: Billericay
Registration District Number: 193
Sub-registration District: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 154
Piece: 10000
Household Members: Name Age
William James Fuller 36
Florence Fuller 30
Richard Fuller 10
Arthur Fuller 7
George Kittley 26
Bert Halford 27

Says married 4 years.

George Kettley was listed as visitor. He was a soldier.

I think that William Kettley was just an invention by Arthur to 'save face' in front of his bride and their family.

What was Florence's father's name from her marriage certificate to Mr Fuller?

Often the father's name on the marriage certificate was made up to hide the fact that someone was illegitimate,

I am trying to confirm which William Kettley was my great grandfather. There are so many trees with this name on. All I know for sure is that my grandfather Arthur Kettley was born in 1902, his mother was Florence Ada Kettley and his father was unnamed on the birth certificate. They lived in Brentwood. However, by the time Arthur married in 1938, his father was named on his marriage certificate as William Kettley, builder, deceased.

I feel that William and Florence were related, not married, hence the blank on the birth cert. My grandfather Arthur took on the name Fuller as Florence married a Fuller but clearly his real father was William Kettley.



Does anyone have knowledge of William Kettley who may have fathered Arthur illegitimately?

Many thanks, jackie