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22 Aug 2013 19:05 |
Pleased to help
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Robert
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22 Aug 2013 18:13 |
Brilliant work Mavis , thank you so much, this answers a few more things that I was going to ;look at later. Bob
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22 Aug 2013 14:22 |
Just realised this morning that John Thomas Whybrow /Whybrew was a witness on James Belton marriage to Isabella Kemp
but it looks like John Thomas Whyburn
there was another marriage in Ockley the place that Frances Fanny Belton married
5th March 1871 Ockley
John Carpenter 20y Lab -- father James Carpenter Lab. Elizabeth Warn 20y ---- Domestic Servant -- father Samuel Warn Bricklayer John Carpenter X his mark - Elizabeth Warn wit. Peter Short [Charles Short brother] and Eliza Edwards
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22 Aug 2013 00:30 |
OOOOHHH!!!
Great work,Mavis. :-D :-D :-D :-
Maureen
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21 Aug 2013 23:10 |
more news for you Robert
Marriage at Wimbledon 25th March 1867
James Balton Full age Lab. father George Balton Lab. Frances Fanny Carpenter Full age father James Carpenter a Carpenter
The mark X of James Balton -- Fanny Frances Carpenter [names round the other way] wit. John Hare ? and Caroline Collyer?
you wont find James and Fanny Belton/Balton on a census James Belton died aged 42y buried Churt May 30th 1869
1871 Census
Charles Short 21y Railway lab born West Grinstead Sussex Frances F Short 26y ------ born Frensham Mary J Batton step dau 3y -- born Frensham James E Batton step son 1y -- born Frensham
Mary Jane Belton bp 9 Feb 1868 James and Fanny Belton
Marriage -at Ockley 26 Aug 1870 Charles Short FA Batch. Lab. father James Short Lab Frances Fanny Balton A widow Servant father James Carpenter Lab Charles Short and Frances Fanny Balton wit Thomas Leaney and Harriet Ski--------?
I believe that Mary J Belton married John Thomas Whybrow 1886 in Plumstead if you find them 1891- 1901 - 1911 Mary Jane says born Whitmore Vale Surrey this is close to Churt. not found Charles or Frances Fanny 1881 census.
did spot a Frances Fanny Stone married in Walworth 1893 no saying if she is the same Frances Fanny Stone !!!
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Robert
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21 Aug 2013 17:37 |
Thank you all for your help, some new leads to chase down Bob
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20 Aug 2013 23:41 |
????
Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%) dont know who married who here
Amsworth Caroline Lambeth 4 361 ARMSWORTH Caroline Lambeth 4 361 Belton James Lambeth 4 361 xxxxxxxx Carpenter Ann Lambeth 4 361 xxxxxxxxxx Carrell John Lambeth 4 361 Gracie Jane Wandsworth 4 361 Lennard Mary Ann Lambeth 4 361 OVER John Lambeth 4 361 RICKETTS Sarah Lambeth 4 361 WHINNETT Samuel Lambeth 4 361
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Robert
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20 Aug 2013 23:22 |
Maureen - I can confirm that this is his marriage to Isabella Mary Kemp.
Mavis - From the research that I have done I to think that this could be our man, but am struggling to pin down a Carpenter family member to the Belton family.
MarieCeleste - apart from the marriage certificate, the only other information is from the 1901 & 1911 census's. Name: James Belton Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Male Age: 41 Birthplace: Churt, Surrey Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Wandsworth Sub-District: Springfield Parish: Wandsworth County: London
• James • Middle name • Surname Belton • Known as • Occupation Bricklayer. • Gender Male • Birth • Year of birth c1870 • Date of birth ABT 1870 • Place of birth Churt, Surrey. • Baptism • Date of baptism • Place of baptism Marriage • Isabella Kemp Date of marriage 2 AUG 1892 Place of marriage St Margarets Church, Plumstead, London. Divorced No • Death • Year of death 1916 • Date of death • Place of death Wandsworth, London.
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20 Aug 2013 23:13 |
Hmmmm... Marriages Mar 1867 BALTON James Kingston 2a 331 Carpenter Fanny Frances Kingston 2a 331
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20 Aug 2013 23:00 |
Name: James Betton Baptism Date: 9 Jan 1870 Archive Provided Parish: Churt, St John the Evangelist, with Rushmoor, St Francis Parish as it Appears: Churt, St John the Evangelist Father: James Betton Mother: Fanny Betton
This Belton not Betton
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20 Aug 2013 22:46 |
Hello Robert, before 1874 there were no penalties on parents if they didn't register births so many simply didn't bother.
Can your friend tell you more about James' later life so there are some accurate facts to work back from? For example, that marriage Maureen posted could be very helpful if you confirm who James was married to.
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20 Aug 2013 22:39 |
Census 1881
James Belton Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relationship to Head: Grandson Gender: Male Civil Parish: Frensham County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: Whitmore Education:
Employment status:
View Image Occupation: Scholar Registration District: Farnham Sub-registration District: Farnham ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 789 Folio: 54 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Carpenter 59 Arthur Carpenter 23 Henry Carpenter 20 Walter Carpenter 13 >>>>>James Belton 11 gr son
this is who you may be looking for
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20 Aug 2013 21:56 |
Is this his marriage? London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about James Belton Name: James Belton Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Age: 22 Spouse Name: Isabella Mary Kemp Spouse Age: 23 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 2 Aug 1892 Parish: Plumstead St Margaret Borough: Greenwich Father Name: James Belton deceased Occ:Market gardener Spouse Father Name: Edward Kemp Register Type: Parish Register
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Robert
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20 Aug 2013 21:42 |
I am trying to help a friend find out about his Great Grandfather James Belton. We know that from both the 1901 & 1911 census's that he was born 1870, & that he gives his place of birth as Churt in Surrey. I am struggling to find his birth registration, if one exists at all, plus the fact that both the Churt & Fresham parishes seem to merge at this time, as well as Belton being a common surname in this part of Surrey. Any help would be appreciated. Bob
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