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National Roll of the Great War 1914-1918 (Find My Past)

(H Snelling (Grenadier Guards), W T Snelling, W Snelling, all 6, Orbain)


(adding before I switch orf''!)

Chris :)

1901 (Carpenter?)
SNELLING, Willm Head Married M 46 1855 Carpenter
Pimlico, London
SNELLING, Louisa Wife Married F 42 1859
Whitechapel, London
SNELLING, Louisa E Daughter Single F 22 1879 Laundress
Pimlico, London
SNELLING, Arthur E Son Single M 17 1884 Tea Merchants Clerk
Battersea, London
SNELLING, Willm T Son Single M 15 1886 Shop Boy
Battersea, London
SNELLING, Esther F Daughter Single F 10 1891
Battersea, London
SNELLING, Dorothy M Daughter Single F 0 (4 MOS) 1901
Battersea, London
Piece: 441
Folio: 177
Page: 60
Registration District: Wandsworth
Civil Parish: Battersea
Municipal Borough:
Address: 22, Sheepcote Lane, Battersea
County: London

Going back to Maureen's post - where was William recorded as a carpenter please, I think I'm missing something?

1911 he was a blacksmith's striker, which is a blacksmith's labourer, and 1901 a blacksmith (stretch of imagination?), On a marriage he was a boiler-maker, which is akin to a blacksmith - so probably a boiler-maker's labourer.

My grandfather was a boiler-maker, but had labourers working with him - one of which was a great-uncle who had been a blacksmith's striker before going into the shipyard.

Looks good for the younger child Walter Thomas, born c1898 Chris:

Walter Thomas Snelling
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1898
Registration District: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 110

[PDF] 326 NATIO'NAL~ROLL OF THE GREAT WAR. SNELLING, WT (MM)
www.military-genealogy.com/viewRecord?product=nr&q_recordid...
SNELLING, W. T. (M.M.), Gorpl., Essex Regt. He volunteered in March 1915, and
... He was demobilised in 1919. 6, Orbain Road, Fulham, S.W.6. X18055.

(above, google search, snelling orbain)

Chris :)

1890 School Admission for Esther Snelling (30/4/86) Father William, Boiler Maker, 23, Fountain Street.

(muddlin' on!)

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Amy Snelling
Year: 1918
County or Borough: Wandsworth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Battersea
Street Address: 00 Yorkney
(with Harry, 60, Stanley Street, Queens Road)

Chris :)

http://www.airgale.com.au/follows/d7.htm#c78892

(above seems to relate, from google)

Re young Harry Snelling at the Certified Industrial Truant School in 1901 posted by Gins - must have been a bad lad! That was the Chiswick and Heston Truant Industrial School, Holme Court, Isleworth.

http://missing-ancestors.com/CHISWICK%20&%20HESTON%20TRAUNT%20IND%20SCH%20ISLEWORTH%20INFO%20PAGE.htm

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/IS/
Industrial Schools

Certified industrial schools were promoted as an alternative to reformatories by a group of magistrates, MPs, and social reformers such as Mary Carpenter. After thir unsuccessful campaign to remove the prison requirement for those entering reformatories, the Industrial School was put forward as an analogous institution but aimed at a younger age group and without the prison element. Initially, under the Industrial Schools Act of 1857, children aged seven to fifteen who were convicted of vagrancy could placed in an Industrial School. A further Act in 1861 defined four categories of potential entrants: under-fourteens found begging; under-fourteens found wandering and homeless or frequenting with thieves; under-twelves who had committed and imprisonable offence; under-fourteens who parents could not control them.

The first Industrial School was established at Feltham as the result of a private Act of Parliament in 1854 although did not come into operation until 1859.

Another Act in 1866 consolidated and amended the previous legislation and raised lower age of entry to a Reformatory to ten. The 1866 Act also transferred overall responsibility for the Schools to the Prison Authority and a single Inspector was to cover both types of establishment. From 1871, children under fourteen of a woman twice convicted of "crime" could be sent to an Industrial School.

Under the 1876 Elementary Education Act, School Boards were authorised to establish Industrial Schools and Day Industrial Feeding Schools "for those children whose education is neglected by their parents, or who are found wandering or in bad company". Day Industrial Schools were defined as institutions "in which industrial training, elementary education, and one or more meals a day, but not lodging, are provided for the children" for their "proper training and control". Day Industrial Schools were established almost immediately at Liverpool and Bristol, shortly followed by Gateshead, Oxford, Yarmouth, and a second school at Liverpool.

From 1880, any child under 14 found to be living in a brothel, or living with or associating with common or reputed prostitutes, could be sent to an Industrial School. A further Act in 1893 raised the age of admission to Reformatories to 12, and the obligatory age of release was reduced from 21 to 19.

Industrial Schools, in common with the Separate or District Schools run by the poor law authorities, often ran a military-style band which gave the boys a musical training and could also lead to a crareer as a bandsman in the army or navy.


Truant Schools

Another new type of school that appeared following the 1876 Elementary Education Act was the Truant School where children who persistently refused to attend elementary schools could be detained for a period, typically one to three months, under a very strict regime, and then released on a renewable licence to attend a normal school. The first Truant Schools to be established were at London, Liverpool and Sheffield.

The London School Board initially planned that inmates should be kept in complete silence, except for during schoolwork, but the Home Office did not approve this proposal. Instead, children were required to perform drill instead of being allowed to play.

Certified School Establishments

In the wake of the 1854 and 1857 Acts, Reformatory and Industrial Schools were set up across the country, all of which had to be officially inspected and certified before they could begin operation. By 1875, there were 54 certified Reformatory Schools and 82 Industrial Schools in England and Wales. At the same date, Scotland had 12 Reformatories and 27 Industrial Schools. By 1885, there was a combined total of 61 Reformatories, 136 Industrial Schools, 9 Truant Schools, and 13 Day Industrial Schools. Generally schools took either just boys or girls, and some schools were specifically for Roman Catholic children.

The boys' schools included a number of naval training ships. Amongst the Reformatory ships were the Akbar, moored on the Mersey at Rock Ferry, near Liverpool, the Clarence for Roman Catholic boys at nearby New Ferry, and the Cornwall on the Thames at Purfleet. Industrial School vessels included the Formidable in the Bristol Channel, the Wellesley on the Tyne, and the Mars on the Tay.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/IS/England.shtml

Yes,Gins and Flip.

It's just that darned address.

And the occupation.
None seem to fit...we've got a carpenter and a blacksmith/ boiler maker.

Mo

Don't know if you noticed Gins, there was another child registered at the school 29/10/1894, Alfred (dob 5/9/90) father william, both children's address 11 Ropeyard Rails - not sure if I've got this right.

Same day Alfred registered, 2 Reeves children were registered from the same address - can't read one of the names but the other is Mary (b1888), father George.

What about this one???



London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911

Name:
Harry Snelling

Age:3

Birth Date:9 Jun 1891

School:Union Street School
Borough:Greenwich

Admission Date:8 Nov 1894

Parent:William

Notes:
Union Street School opened in 1884. Originally named Powis Street School (See Separate List), then renamed Union Street School. Renamed Powis School in 1938

Reference Number:LCC/EO/DIV06/UNI/AD/006



1901 England Census

Name:
Harry Snelling

Age:10

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1891

Relation:Inmate

Gender:Male

Where born:Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish:Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish:All Saints
County/Island:Middlesex

Country:England

Registration District:Brentford
Sub-registration District:Isleworth

ED, institution, or vessel:
Certified Industrial Truant School

:-S

Brian,

"he lived for a short time at 6 Orbain Road, Fulham,SW6."

Is this from a document of some sort??

Chris..you may have found Lydia..grown quite fond of that lass.

If anyone has access...the London School thingies on Ancestry only seem to turn up (for me) records for Wm.Thomas, Esther and Lydia.

Maureen

Had you found anthing Military records wise, relating to Henry?...

Death
Name: SNELLING, Henry
Registration district: [?] Chiltern & Beaconsfield
County: Buckinghamshire
Year of registration: 1974
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Date of Birth:3 December 1888
Volume no: 19
Page no: 0907

(from other 'Thread'', is this him above)

Chris :)

Name: Esther Elizabeth Snelling
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Jul 1886 (born 30 April)
Father's Name: William Snelling (Labourer)
Mother's Name: Lucy Snelling
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St George the Martyr
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers
(address, 56, Sleaford Street)

Name: James Robert Snelling
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1894
Father's Name: William Snelling (Labourer)
Mother's Name: Lucy Snelling
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Bartholomew
Borough: Wandsworth
(address, Wickersley Road)

Name: Mary May Snelling
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 May 1896
Father's Name: William Snelling (Labourer)
Mother's Name: Lucy Snelling
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Lambeth All Saints
Borough: Lambeth
(address, 41, Charles Street)

Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
SNELLING Lydia Rotherham 9c 660

Amy's father (Baptism) and mother (Marriage)


Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912

Name:Albert Thomas Dalton

Baptism Date:21 Mar 1858

Parish:Chaldon, St Peter and St Paul

Parish as it Appears:Chaldon

Father:John Dalton

Mother:Mary Dalton

Reference Number:6402/1/1

____________________________________________________


Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937

Name:Albert Thomas Dalton <<Labourer

Age:22

Birth Year:abt 1858

Marriage Date:18 Sep 1880

Archive Provided Parish:Caterham, St Mary

Parish as it Appears:Caterham

Spouse:Sarah Burnell

Spouse Age:19

Father:John Dalton

Spouse Father:Richard Burnell

Reference Number:6087/1/17



No luck with Henry :-(

I think so,too! (It beats bashing my mouse against the wall like I really want to. :-| :-| :-|)

Maureen :-D

I don't see them either Maureen. Tried every combination and variation I can think of. Perhaps they were on the way back to London on census night lol.

That's what's throwing me! I can't find them in 1891. Grrr.

Maureen

1901 Census has William and Lucy's daughter Lydia born in Sheffield?

Marriages Dec 1885

KNIGHT Lucy Lambeth 1d 765
Snelling William Lambeth 1d 765

1901

Name: William Snelling
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lucy Snelling
Gender: Male
Where born: Clapham, London, England

Civil Parish: Chiswick
Ecclesiastical parish: Chiswick St Nicholas
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Brentford
Sub-registration District: Chiswick
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 240
Piece: 1197
Folio: 128
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
William Snelling 37
Lucy Snelling 35
Esther Snelling 15
Lydia Snelling 12
James Snelling 7
Mary Snelling 5
Walter Snelling 3
Thomas Knight 30

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966


Name:Roger Edward Colgate Killed in action - France (Lieutenant)

Probate Date:27 Dec 1916

Death Date:18 Nov 1916 Address: 60 Stanley St, Lavender Hill

Death Place:Surrey, England
Registry:London, England

Probate to Amy Colgate (Widow) £150.00



UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919

Name:
Roger Edward Colgate

Death Date:18 Nov 1916

Rank:2/Lieutenant

Regiment:Gloucestershire Regiment

Battalion:3rd Battalion

Type of Casualty:Killed in action

Comments: Att 8T



Not much help really, sorry

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1183012

(could be relating above)

Chris :)