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So either Rosina fibbed when marrying Thomas or she wasn't actually married to William Wooding.

But all things told your assumption that all the Frances Roses are th same person seems sound to me

Jude

Quick up date... marriage certificate for James Harry WOOD...widower aged 45 to Frances Rose NAPIER ....Widow aged 43 took place 17.Nov.1917 Frances names her father as William WOODING, Occupation Labourer...Deceased.

Marriage Certificate for Thomas HOLMES aged 45, Bachelor and Rosina CHILDS aged 41, Spinster took places on 07.Aug.1888. Rosina names her father as Joseph CHILDS, Occupation Soldier....Deceased.

Stuart Thank you thats worth looking into, sometimes you end up going round and round in circles looking at the same records and you cannot make sense of them so a fresh pair of eyes and new directions are a great help. Thanks

Am wondering - as Rosina was born on St Helena Island whether her father was either a serving soldier there or worked for the East India Company - stacks of info on google about St Helena. Perhaps she met her first husband William Wooding there, also maybe in the services, but can't find a service record to prove this). They may have married there and then returned to UK at end of his time there with a subsequent discharge from service, with him ending up as a Labourer??

Thank you ***alviegal*** that rules out that theory, just seemed strange that Frances Rose & James Harry left getting married for so long.
Back too waiting for the certificates to arrive, I have also ordered a copy of Frances Rose Wood's "Will to see if I can gain any info from that.

From cwgc.

NAPIER, JAMES WILLIAM

Rank:
Serjeant
Service No:
422
Date of Death:
28/11/1916
Age:
23
Regiment/Service:
Durham Light Infantry

19th Bn.
Grave Reference
I. C. 18.
Cemetery
WANQUETIN COMMUNAL CEMETERY

Additional Information:

Son of James William Napier, of 60, Dean Road, South Shields.

I did find a death for James Napier in 1916

Name: NAPIER, James W
Unit:Durham Light Infantry Rank:Sergeant
Number:19/422
Year: 1916
Volume : I.35
Page: 12
Record source: GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1914 to 1921)

and wondered if this was the same James would that be why Frances Rose & James Harry had to wait until 1917 to marry.

Birth for James Napier.

father:James Napier
mother:Frances Napier

NameJames Edward Napier
GenderMale
Christening Date22 Dec 1896
Christening PlaceSt. Aidan, Benwell, Northumberland, England

??? Children from 1891 census? Notice the different spellings for the surname.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Joseph William Wooden
Name: Joseph William Wooden
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1882
Registration District: Sheppey
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 883



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Florence Maud M Wooden
Name: Florence Maud M Wooden
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1876
Registration District: Sheppey
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 844



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Ann Isabella Wooden
Name: Ann Isabella Wooden
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1880
Registration District: Sheppey
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 890



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Ann Isabella Wooden
Name: Ann Isabella Wooden
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1883
Age at Death: 2
Registration District: Sheppey
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 544



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Alice Wooding
Name: Alice Wooding
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1884
Registration District: Sheppey
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 898

No could not find one.

Have you found a marriage for William Wooding and Rosina? Possibly Childs is her maiden name?

Not yet, I have just ordered that and Frances Rose birth certificate.
Will sit and wait.

Do you have Rosina and Thomas Holmes marriage cert, to get her father's name

Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: WOODING, Frances Rose
Registration district: Canterbury
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1875
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 719

Frances Rose Wood died 1929,
Frances Rose Napier married James Harry Wood 1917 but had been living as Mrs Wood since 1901 census,
Frances Rose Childs married James Napier 1892

Frances Rose Wooding born Chatham 1875 her father William Wooding died 1885 and her mother Rosina married Thomas Holmes in 1888 using the surname Childs, I would like to find out where the surname "Childs" came from and if I am correct in thinking that all these Frances Rose are the same person.

1891 census transcription details for: 51, Hope Street, Minster In Sheppey, Sheerness
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 721
Folio: 6
Page: 5
Reg. District: Sheppey
Sub District: Minster
Parish: Minster in Sheppey
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District: St Paul
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 51, Hope Street, Minster In Sheppey, Sheerness
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HOLMES, Thomas Head Married M 48 1843 Labourer & Naval Pensioner
Eastchurch, Kent
HOLMES, Rosina Wife Married F 45 1846 Charwoman
St Helena, Isle OF
WOODEN, Florence Stepdaughter F 17 1874 Domestic Servant
Sheerness, Kent
WOODEN, Joseph Stepson M 10 1881 Scholar
Sheerness, Kent
WOODEN, Alice Stepdaughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Sheerness, Kent
HOLMES, Edward Son M 1 1890
Sheerness, Kent



1881 census transcription details for: 28, Spring Garden Passage, Minster In Sheppey
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 979
Folio: 9
Page: 12
Reg. District: Sheppey
Sub District: Minster
Parish: Minster in Sheppey
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 28, Spring Garden Passage, Minster In Sheppey
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WOODING, William Head Married M 36 1845 General Labourer
Bedford
WOODING, Rosina Wife Married F 30 1851
St Helena
>>WOODING, Rosina Daughter Single F 6 1875
Canterbury, Kent
WOODING, Florence Daughter Single F 5 1876
Sheerness, Kent
WOODING, Annie Daughter Single F 0 1881
Sheerness, Kent

1901 census transcription details for: 50, Russell Street, Sheerness

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 814
Folio: 134
Page: 18
Reg. District: Sheppey
Sub District: Minster
Parish: Sheerness
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: St Paul
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 50, Russell Street, Sheerness
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HOLMES, Thomas Head Married M 58 1843 Horse Driver Sheerness, Kent
HOLMES, Rosina Wife Married F 48 1853 St Helena
HOLMES, Edward W T Son M 12 1889 Sheerness, Kent
WOOD, Frances R Daughter Married F 28 1873 Canterbury, Kent
WOOD, James M 4 1897 Newcastle on Tyne, Durham

EDIT - By 1911 the Holmes' have been married 22 years c 1888/9 and have had 1 child. There is an Edward Holmes listed with them as son aged 21 b 1889/90

Pasting these for our reference.

1911 census transcription details for: 12 West Street Gillingham
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN3939 RG78PN150 RD47 SD2 ED10 SN167
Reg. District: Medway
Sub District: Gillingham
Parish: Gillingham
Enum. District: 10
Address: 12 West Street Gillingham
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
WOOD, James Head Married M 39 1872 Stokes Petty Office Royal Navy Middlesex Poplar
>>WOOD, Rose Wife Married
16 years F 38 1873 Kent Canterbury
WOOD, James Son M 14 1897 School Northumberland Newington on Tyne



1901 census transcription details for: 50, Russell Street, Sheerness
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 814
Folio: 134
Page: 18
Reg. District: Sheppey
Sub District: Minster
Parish: Sheerness
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: St Paul
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 50, Russell Street, Sheerness
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HOLMES, Thomas Head Married M 58 1843 Horse Driver
Sheerness, Kent
HOLMES, Rosina Wife Married F 48 1853
St Helena
HOLMES, Edward W T Son M 12 1889
Sheerness, Kent
>>WOOD, Frances R Daughter Married F 28 1873
Canterbury, Kent
WOOD, James M 4 1897
Newcastle on Tyne, Durham

Could you break it down please as its difficult to follow

I have been researching James Harry WOOD, born 26.Sept.1872 in Poplar London to Thomas WOOD & Julia MEGIT. I noticed on the 1911 census records that James occupation "Stoker" was living at 12 West Street Gillingham Kent with his wife of 16 years Rose & son James born in Newcastle upon Tyne abt 1897. Going back to 1901 James is on board the "Terpsichore" docked in Chatham and Rose & James are living at 50 Russell Street Sheerness listed as Frances R and Daughter, to Thomas & Rosina Holmes. Frances Rose WOOD dies in 1929 and probate says James gets her money. Now I have found a marriage between James Harry WOOD & Annie WILSON in May 1893 in Medway Kent and a marriage between James Harry WOOD & Frances R NAPIER in the 4th.Qtr.1917 so I then really started digging and found a birth for James NAPIER in Tynemouth 1896 and a marriage between Frances Rose CHILDS & James NAPIER in Sheppey Kent 1892. Sorry this is so long winded but I think that Frances Rose Wood/Napier/Childs is one person and maybe started life as Frances Rose WOODING born to William & Rosina Wooding in Chatham Kent in 1875, William WOODING died in 1885 and Rosina married Thomas HOLMES IN 1888 but she also uses the surname "CHILDS"
What I need is a fresh pair of eyes to see if this all makes sense and where the surname "CHILDS" might come from.
Thank you. :-S