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Ah brill, I will look into other johns baptised 1776-1781 in Faversham to be sure I have the right one
Thanks for all your help, you are very kind
Jane :-D

That tallies with family search, but you've missed one. Ann, christened in 1774:

John Wraight
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 29 September 1776 Preston-next-Faversham, Kent, England
residence: Kent, England
father: Thomas Wraight
mother: Ann Wraight

John Wraight
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 31 October 1784 Preston-next-Faversham, Kent, England
residence: Kent, England
father: Thomas Wraight
mother: Ann Wraight


William Wraight
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 22 March 1778 Preston-next-Faversham, Kent, England
residence: Kent, England
father: Thomas Wraight
mother: Ann Wraight

Ann Wraight<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 29 May 1774 Preston-next-Faversham, Kent, England
residence: Kent, England
father: Thomas Wraight
mother: Ann Wraight

Elizabeth Wraight
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 27 May 1787 Preston-next-Faversham, Kent, England
residence: Kent, England
father: Thomas Wraight
mother: Ann Wraight

George Wraight
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 13 December 1771 Preston-next-Faversham, Kent, England
residence: Kent, England
father: Thomas Wraight
mother: Anne Wraight

Charlotte Wraight
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 3 December 1771 Preston-next-Faversham, Kent, England
residence: Kent, England
father: Thomas Wraight
mother: Anne

Given that Thomas Wraight married Ann Chittenden in January 1769, it did cross my mind that this 'Wright' child below, might actually have been a misspelt Wraight, and triggered the marriage of Thomas and Ann, but of course that would be pure speculation...

Thomas Wright
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 2 April 1769 Faversham, Kent, England
residence: Faversham, Kent, England
father: Thomas Wright
mother: Anne

However parents often named a child after themselves, and there's no Thomas Wraight in the baptism list, so maybe 'Thomas Wright' is indeed a 'premature' Thomas Wraight...

As over fifteens were supposed to have their age rounded down to the nearest five years in 1841, John could have been born anywhere between 1776-1781.

I feel reasonably confident that the baptism I found for Sarah Brown, with father named Winford, is likely to be correct, given the way the names Winford and Brown crop up amongst her descendants.

I had John1781 but could be 1776 if aged 64 at 1841 census was rounded down to 60, giving a false birth year of 1781 as was same age as sarah brown, his wife, on 1841 census and ahe was christened 1776/7.
I think my john 1776 married Sarah Brown in 1799 and had 5 sons (Winford 1800 - died 1801, John 1801 - 1862 my 5G grandfather, Thomas 1804/5, George 1803/6 and Winford 1815. I think John 1776 died 1851. The other John 1784 may have been his younger brother. My Dad was emailed a hand written record of kent baptisms, marriages and deaths. In Preston/faversham 1769 Thomas wraight and Ann Chittenden married, benath their entry there were 6 wraight children baptised 1771 george + charlotte, 1776 john, 1778 william, 1784 john, 1787 elizabeth. Im not sure but only assume thomas and ann are their parents.

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A free site I mentioned earlier, has baptisms for several children of an Ann and Thomas Wraight in Preston by Faversham in the 1770s and 1780s.

That would tie in well with the 1769 marriage you mentioned.

Both the 1776 and 1784 John Wraight events are recorded as CHRISTENINGS on family search.

I would normally assume, given that they have the same named parents, that the John born 1776 had died, and his name recycled for another child.

Neither christening gives a birth date or age, and i don't have access to images of the Preston by Faversham records. So I have no idea when the 1784 baptised John was born, and whether it was too late to be your John.

My gut feeling is that the John Wraight baptised in 1787 is NOT a child of Robert and Elizabeth, nor your John Wraight, but probably a cousin of some degree. However that is just my feeling, I can't substantiate it, other than what I said in a previous post.

ah brill! Thanks. I think John was born in 1776 and CHRISTENED in 1784? I think the adult john christened same time as William may be a separate person/adult from a different family tree? Thomas Wraight married Anne Chittenden 1769 in Faversham, possibly Johns parents. I need to confirm if they had children and their birthdates, where is best to look? Thanks, Jane

Name: Thomas Wraight
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 Nov 1805
Christening Place: DAVINGTON,KENT,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Wraight
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01514-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0823613 IT 5
Reference ID:

Oops, hadn't noticed that re Thomas Wraight's baptism

My bad.

AS you say, different Thomas

yes I think Winford Brown wraighte 1816 had a son Winford Brown Wraight 1857. and his brother John 1801 (both were sons of John wraight 1776 and Sarah Brown) also had a son Winford Brown Wraight 1837.

It is interesting to see Thomas Wraight 1804 parents were sarah and William on christening record (not John) - maybe it is a different Thomas Wraight

I think the Ancestry tree has Robert and Elizabeth as the parents of John Wraight, because an adult John Wraight was baptised the same day as their son William, in 1787.

However I find it hard to believe a 10/11 yrold would be described as an adult, and I think, as he was still a minor, they would have described him as the son of Robert and Elizabeth if they were indeed his parents.

I'll try and pm you the baptism image so you can see what you think.

I think the Winford Brown Wraight who married Ellen Bland in 1858, as posted earlier by Maddie is probably the son of John Wraight c1801, as he is a bachelor on the marriage image. I think he was named for his maternal grandfather, and /or his uncle.

Winford Brown Wraight c1816 is probably the guy who married in 1843:


Marriages Mar 1843
CLINCH Edward Faversham 5 219
Gibbons Louisa Elizabeth Faversham 5 219<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Harris Ann Faversham 5 219
Huggett Richard Faversham 5 219
JEMMETT George Henry Faversham 5 219
MUNNS Sarah Faversham 5 219
WRAIGHT Winford Faversham 5 219 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Looks like he married Louisa Gibbons as 1851 has the couple living with her parents:

Address: Tanner Street, Faversham County: Kent

GIBBONS, John Head Married M 71 1780 Painter Goodnestone, Kent
GIBBONS, Sarah Wife Married F 67 1784 Nurse Throwley, Kent
WRAIGHT, Winford Son-In-Law Married M 31 1820 Bricklayers Lab
Faversham, Kent<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
WRAIGHT, Louisa Daughter Married F 32 1819 Davington, Kent<<<
WRAIGHT, Eliza Grand Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar
Faversham, Kent
WRAIGHT, Sarah Grand Daughter F 5 1846
Faversham, Kent

Winford and Louisa were still living in Faversham in census 1861 ie after the Bethnal Green wedding in 1861. However I can't find that Winford and Ellen in 1861.

Address: North Lane, Ospringe, Faversham County: Kent

WRAIGHT, Winford Head Married M 45 1816 Gardener Davington, Kent
WRAIGHT, Louisa Wife Married F 43 1818 Faversham, Kent
WRAIGHT, Winford B Son M 4 1857 Faversham, Kent

In 1871 a Winford Wraight born c1837 in Walthamstow Essex, is living with an Ellen:

Address: President St, East, St Luke Middlesex County: London, Middlesex

WRAIGHT, Winford Head M 34 1837 Essex Walthamstow
WRAIGHT, Ellen Wife F 33 1838 Hertfordshire
WRAIGHT, Winford Son M 6 1865 Middlesex
WRAIGHT, Ellen Daughter F 3 1868 Middlesex
WRAIGHT, Minnie Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex

Edit: The Essex location for Winford's birth would tie in with the location of John Wraight c1801, wife Lucy and family in the 1861 census posted previously by Maddie.

Name: Winford Brown Wraight
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Jan 1800
Christening Place: Faversham, Kent, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Wraight
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02181-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1736720
Reference ID: item 3 p 261

Name: Thomas Wraight
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 24 Jun 1804
Christening Place: Faversham, Kent, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Wraight
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02181-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1736720
Reference ID: item 3 p 276


EDIT: Oops, already posted by Maddie.

All of this juicy info is very relevant to my tree! thanks for all your searching - you could get paid for doing this! :-D

WOW! thanks for all your responses, all this info is really useful and most of it I was unable to find, I am currently writing it all down and putting it all together. Thank you to all of you! So John could actually be 1776 if age rounded down in 1841 census. I am just wondering if his parents were Thomas and Ann as christening records found by Kucinta, or Robert and Elizabeth as in a tree on ancestry called ross family tree by member acr333 where spelt wrait initially, then changes to wraight for winford brown wraight 1816 son of William (brother of John wraight 1776), but I think this may be wrong and that winford brown wraight 1816 is actually john's son which would tie in with my tree and johns wife sarah 'brown' :-S

Parents of Winford Brown?

Name: Winford Brown
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 May 1747
Christening Place: Faversham, Kent, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Winford Brown
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Thomasin
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02143-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1736720
Reference ID: item 3

Parents' marriage:

Name: Winford Brown
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Thomasin Woodward
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 25 Jun 1745
Event Place: Faversham, Kent, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00605-2
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1751866
Reference ID:

Using family search (free)

https://familysearch.org/search

Did Winford Brown, Sarah's father, marry two Marys?

Name: Winford Brown
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Mary Admans
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 23 Mar 1776
Event Place: Faversham, Kent, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01609-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1736720
Reference ID:

(presumably the mother of Sarah Brown)

and also

Name: Winford Brown
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Mary Blundell
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 25 Dec 1780
Event Place: Faversham, Kent, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01609-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1736720
Reference ID: p.13

though Winford in 1780 is said to be single.

Thomas ???
1851

1851 England Census about Thomas Wraight
Name: Thomas Wraight
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Wraight
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Faversham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Rye
Town: Rye
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Romney Marsh
Sub-registration District: New Romney
ED, institution, or vessel: 4c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 133
Piece: 1634
Folio: 308
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Wraight 47
Sarah Wraight 39
William Wraight 21
Matilda Gracy 15
John Gracy 15
Jesse Gracy 12



Marriage Day:12

Marriage Month:Jul

Marriage Year:1830

Groom's Forename(s):Thomas

Groom's Surname:Wraight

Groom's Age:

Groom's Status:Bachelor

Groom's Occupation:

Groom's Residence:Peasmarsh Ssx

Bride's Forename(s):Sarah

Bride's Surname:Bodkin

Notes:

Dedication:St Mary

Place:Ashford

County:Kent

Record Source:Ashford St Mary marriages 1693-1837

Record source:Kent Marriages

Data provider:Kent Family History Society

Transcriptions © Kent Family History Society

Bearing in mind the name of son Winford Brown Wraighte, this baptism for Sarah Brown seems quite likely...


Name: Sarah Brown<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 15 Oct 1777
Christening Place: Faversham, Kent, England<<<<<<<<<
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Winford Brown<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02181-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1736720
Reference ID: item 3 p 200

are these yours
:24

Month:Apr

Year:1871

Forename(s):Winford

Surname:Wraight

Age:56

Page:35

Place:Teynham, St Mary

County:Kent

Archive Reference:U3/222

Year Range:1859-1890

Record source:Canterbury Burials - Transcripts

Data provider:Canterbury Cathedral Archives

Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd


Day:26

Month:Jan

Year:1800

Forename(s):Winford Brown

Surname:Wraight

Father's Forename(s):John

Mother's Forename(s):Sarah

Place:Faversham, St Mary of Charity

County:Kent

Archive Reference:U3/146/1/3

Year Range:1774-1806

Record source:Canterbury Baptisms - Transcripts

Data provider:Canterbury Cathedral Archives


Day:18

Month:Oct

Year:1801

Forename(s):Winfred Brown

Surname:Wreight

Age:0
Page:3

Place:Davington, St Mary Magdalene

County:Kent

Archive Reference:U3/138

Year Range:1785-1813

Record source:Canterbury Burials - Transcripts

Data provider:Canterbury Cathedral Archives

bearing in mind what Kucinta has said about census age
????
25

Month:May

Year:1846

Forename(s):Sarah

Surname:Wraight

Age:70
Page:68

Place:Faversham, St Mary of Charity

County:Kent

Archive Reference:U3/146/1/33

Year Range:1813-1837

Record source:Canterbury Burials - Transcripts

Data provider:Canterbury Cathedral Archives

Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd


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Day:16

Month:Apr

Year:1851

Forename(s):John

Surname:Wraight

Age:74
Page:131

Place:Faversham, St Mary of Charity

County:Kent

Archive Reference:U3/146/1/33

Year Range:1813-1837

Record source:Canterbury Burials - Transcripts

Data provider:Canterbury Cathedral Archives

Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd