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MrsBucketBouquet
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16 Aug 2013 18:16 |
Sorry to be a pain but...another request please
The following is Charlotte Ethel Upfield in 1901 Canada. She married in 1912....Canada
Can she be found on the 1911 Canadian census?
1901 Census of Canada Page Information District: ON DURHAM (West/Ouest) (#56) Subdistrict: Darlington D-7 Page 6-7 44 57 Millson Eber M Head M Nov 25 1845 55 45 57 Millson Ellen F Wife M Oct 12 1848 52 46 57 Millson Edward M Son S Oct 16 1878 22 47 57 Millson Myrtle F Daughter S Jul 27 1883 17 @ 48 57 Millson May F Daughter S Apr 9 1882 18 49 57 Pull Sarah F Domestic S Oct 8 1888 ? 50 57 Page Frederick M Domestic M Apr 4 1872 29 1 57 Reid James M Domestic S Dec 8 1886 14 2 57 Hawke Johanna F Servant W May 20 1843 57
3 58 Millson Edna F Head W Oct 8 1874 26 4 58 Millson Elva F Daughter S Jun 17 1899 1 5 58 Millson Georgia F Daughter S Mar 29 1901 1/52 6 58>>>>>>> Upfield Lottie F Servant S Dec 25 1885 15 7 58 Moore Samuel M Servant S Nov 4 1882 18
1901S1 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000058352.pdf 1901S1 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000058353.pdf 1901S2 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000058345.pdf [P7L3 shares house with P6L44 - addy= C7 S Half L27]
Geraldine
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MrsBucketBouquet
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5 Aug 2013 13:57 |
Thanks for that mgnv. After posting I thought...silly me of course it's Liverpool!
Another question? Re James Upfield from Petworth Sussex b1841. He was obviously in the Army between the 1861 and 1881 so how can I find out about his Army service? I presume he joined up but i'm not sure if he would have been fighting anywhere....or was he? Were we at war during that time? India??
Geraldine
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mgnv
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4 Aug 2013 23:58 |
Re leaving Liverpool or Ireland Check col 1 of image: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e148/e003678634.jpg
Lottie's pob=England on 1901 - that's exactly the level of detail I'ld expect.
Ancestry has Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 Ontario has a 97 y closure on births, so although 1915 has been released, the last couple of years aren't indexed yet, nor are the images online so far as I'm aware.
Canada has a 92 y closure on censuses, so 1921 was released a couple of months back, but it's not indexed yet, nor are the images online yet - I don't know if they're even digitized yet. I think this one will come late in 2013 - 1911 had month & year of birth - I've not seen what info's on the 1921.
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MrsBucketBouquet
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4 Aug 2013 22:51 |
Another Canadian look up please... What years were the Brothers born?
My Father Albert Gerald Stevens was born 13/05/1913 Hamilton Ont He had 3 brothers, I think.... Gord Stevens (Gordon?)(George?) He told my English Mother he had 2 Brothers. George Stevens James Stanley Stevens died March 2013. Younger brother of Albert Gerald.
Parents were Charlotte Ethel Upfield and Millage Gerald Stevens.
Was it 2 or 3 Brothers?
Geraldine x
Update...
Just got e,mail from Family in Canada.but they haven't answered my question of who was the eldest and youngest............yet!
Gordon Tyrie Stevens George Stevens James Stanley Stevens.
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MrsBucketBouquet
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4 Aug 2013 16:27 |
Look what I found...
Deaths Dec 1895 (Charlotte sailed in 1894) UPFIELD James 54 Petworth 2b 197 b.1841 The same James that ArgyllGran found?
Maybe he was in ill health from the war? Maybe this is why Charlotte went into Dr Barnado's?
:-S huh! still doesn't answer the question about her birth though :-\
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MrsBucketBouquet
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4 Aug 2013 16:05 |
I'm so sorry everyone I had quite forgot that I already had a thread on the go about Charlotte Ethel. It's because I was excited the other day as I had been sent the Photo. I have never seen it or others before. I printed it off and keep looking at it lol
Thankyou all for having a look for her and trying to help me.
I now think that she's the one from Dr Barnardo homes. A 'home child'? Maybe they changed her name and or age? As they did.....She has her DOB as Christmas day! 1885...funny that cos my Father died on a Christmas day. I now find myself wondering did she join the boat in Liverpool or maybe Ireland? I suppose we'll never find out now Ho hum...
Many thanks again
Geraldine x
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GlasgowLass
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4 Aug 2013 13:50 |
I found this one who was a farm labourer but as you can see, there is no sign of Charlotte. It would appear that this man ( James Upfield) married Emily in Guildford 1887 which is after an 1885 birth?
1891 England Census about James Apfield Name: James Apfield Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emily Apfield Gender: Male Where born: Flexford, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Puttenham Ecclesiastical parish: Puttenham Town: Puttenham County/Island: Surrey
Registration District: Guildford Sub-registration District: Godalming ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 562 Folio: 99 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age James Apfield 28 Emily Apfield 26 Elizabeth A Apfield 3 William G Apfield 5/12
An older man named James Apfield is also found in Surrey. He was a policeman and there is no Charlotte ( or derivitaves) in his household either
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ArgyllGran
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4 Aug 2013 13:10 |
Wild speculation: As there's no sign of Charlotte with any surname anything like Upfield born in Sussex (except for a Charlotte Field in Brighton in 1887) - or anywhere else - I wonder if she was illegitimate; birth registered under mother's name; handed over to Barnardo's under father's name?
There's no sign of a fruit-gatherer James Upfield/Apfield in Sussex (or anywhere else, for that matter) in 1881-91, but there is this possibility:
Shown in 1841 and 1851 (1851 here for ref.):
1851 England Census about James Upfield Name: James Upfield Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Upfield Mother's Name: Ann Upfield Gender: M (Male) Where born: Petworth, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Petworth Town: Petworth County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration District: Petworth Sub-registration District: Billingshurst ED, institution, or vessel: 2d Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 110 Piece: 1649 Folio: 299 Page Number: 34 Household Members: Name Age John Upfield 45 Ann Upfield 45 Sarah Upfield 13 James Upfield 10
No sign of him in 1861/71 - presumably abroad in the Army, as here he is as an army pensioner:
1881 England Census about James Upfield Name: James Upfield Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relationship to Head: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Petworth, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Petworth County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street Address: High St Education: Employment status: View Image Occupation: Army Pensioner Registration District: Petworth Sub-registration District: Petworth, Southern ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1112 Folio: 60 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Charles Lucas 53 Mary Lucas 53 Emily Lucas 19 John Lucas 15 Jane Lucas 13 Harriet Lucas 11 Albert Lucas 9 William T. Hearn 47 George Stevens 61 George Wilson 47 Daniel Dilloway 62 Charles Madgewick 19 John Stratton 42 James Upfield 40
And in 1891 (presumably the same person) as a labourer - doesn't say what kind of labourer:
1891 England Census about James Upfield Name: James Upfield Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Sussex, England Civil Parish: Petworth Town: Petworth County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View Image Registration District: Petworth Sub-registration District: Petworth, Southern ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 832 Folio: 58 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Knowles 54 Eliza Knowles 55 Eliza Knowles 4 John Kirby 35 James H Curtis 49 Elizabeth Curtis 50 James Upfield 50 (and several other lodgers)
Even if he is her father, it still doesn't help to find her birth, I know! She wasn't born in Petworth reg district 1884-9 - there's a Charlotte Stevens in 1885, but she's safely with her parents in 1891.
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MargaretM
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4 Aug 2013 00:39 |
More info on your previous thread, Geraldine:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1321638
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MarieCeleste
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3 Aug 2013 22:43 |
According to the marriage she was born in Sussex:
Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928 Name: Millage Gerald Stevens Birth Place: Dunnville, Ontario Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Father Name: Albert Arthur Stevens Mother Name: Mary Clark Orone Spouse Name: Charlotte Ethel Apfield Spouse's Age: 25 Spouse Birth Year: abt 1887 Spouse Birth Place: Sussex, England Spouse Father Name: James Apfield - Fruit gatherer Marriage Date: 27 Nov 1912 Marriage County or District: Wentworth
On the image it's hard to say if her surname is Apfield or Upfield - I'd lean towards the latter.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Aug 2013 22:20 |
I can't see the birth of a Charlotte Upfield anywhere on FreeBMD, at any time
Nor is there any sign of her in the 1891 UK census, on Ancestry.
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MrsBucketBouquet
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3 Aug 2013 22:04 |
The photo is of Charlotte Ethel aged 30.
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MrsBucketBouquet
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3 Aug 2013 21:58 |
I have a Charlotte Ethel Upfield born 1885. (my Canadian Grandmother) I found a Charlotte Upfield on a passenger list aged 9 coming from Liverpool in 1894 on the Ship: 'Laurentian' Arrival Port: Halifax Ont Canada. She was with a group of children from a Dr Barnardo home. Is this my Charlotte or can anyone find a birth in Canada? On her Marriage cert 27/11/1912 she says her Fathers name is James Upfield.
I found a Lottie Upfield working as a servant on the Canadian 1901 but it doesn't state birth place.
1901 Census of Canada Page Information District: ON DURHAM (West/Ouest) (#56) Subdistrict: Darlington D-7 Page 6-7 44 57 Millson Eber M Head M Nov 25 1845 55 45 57 Millson Ellen F Wife M Oct 12 1848 52 46 57 Millson Edward M Son S Oct 16 1878 22 47 57 Millson Myrtle F Daughter S Jul 27 1883 17 @ 48 57 Millson May F Daughter S Apr 9 1882 18 49 57 Pull Sarah F Domestic S Oct 8 1888 ? 50 57 Page Frederick M Domestic M Apr 4 1872 29 1 57 Reid James M Domestic S Dec 8 1886 14 2 57 Hawke Johanna F Servant W May 20 1843 57
3 58 Millson Edna F Head W Oct 8 1874 26 4 58 Millson Elva F Daughter S Jun 17 1899 1 5 58 Millson Georgia F Daughter S Mar 29 1901 1/52 >>>>6 58 Upfield Lottie F Servant S Dec 25 1885 15 7 58 Moore Samuel M Servant S Nov 4 1882 18 all in a shared house.
I have to go to bed now as i'm at work at 5am but will check tomorrow to see if you super sluths have worked your magic.
Fingers crossed
Geraldine x
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