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Christopher
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26 Jul 2013 17:43 |
I am looking for a Harriet Shephard/Shepherd born november 1891 according to her death details..her father was Herbert Shephard/Shepherd he was a groundsman on a race course according to her marriage certificate in 1912. It does not say that Herbert is deceased. Harriet had a son before marriage to Harry Ward the son's name was Charlie/Charles Shepherd...can find nothing on 1911. Although Harriet was living in Southall at time of marriage...any help appreciated. Thanks
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kira112
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26 Jul 2013 18:04 |
0nly this one for date given
Births Dec 1891 (>99%) Shepherd Harriet Manchester 8d 267
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MarieCeleste
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26 Jul 2013 18:55 |
Hi Christopher - when and where was Charlie born?
Was it Harry Ward that she married in 1912, or someone else?
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Vera
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26 Jul 2013 19:00 |
Marriages Mar 1912 (>99%)
Is this your Harriett.....?
Shephard Harriett Ward Uxbridge 3a 76 Ward Harry Shephard Uxbridge 3a 76
Regards Vera
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Catherine
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26 Jul 2013 20:02 |
What address and occupation does Harriet give on her marriage certificate?
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Catherine
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26 Jul 2013 20:56 |
Now, I have been having a look and I have a theory:-
What do you think about this one?
1911
He is single and noted as being a Labourer but his address is interesting as he is living at the Racecourse.
SHEPHARD, Herbert Head Single M 45 1866 General Labourer Haddenham Bucks VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 7272 Reference: RG14PN7272 RG78PN354 RD132 SD2 ED27 SN5 Registration District: Edmonton Sub District: Wood Green Enumeration District: 27 Parish: Wood Green Address: Grand Stand Alexandra Park Racecourse Wood Green County: Middlesex
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Following him back:-
1901 England Census about Herbert Shephard Name: Herbert Shephard [Herbert Shepherd] Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Brother-in-law Gender: Male Where born: Haddenham, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Hornsey Ecclesiastical parish: Hornsey St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration District: Edmonton Sub-registration District: Hornsey ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 293 Piece: 1242 Folio: 26 Page Number: 43 Household Members: Name Age William Emery 40 Harriet Emery 39 Harriet Emery 6 Herbert Shephard 35 ...............................................................................
Your Harriet was born in 1891 and this Herbert was lodging in 1891 with a Jane Fareham, but notice she has daughter aged 4 months old called Harriet :-
1891 England Census about Herbert Shepherd Name: Herbert Shepherd Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Haddenham, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Wombwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Wombwell County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Clay Miner
Registration District: Barnsley Sub-registration District: Darfield ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3778 Folio: 73 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Jane A Fareham 24 born: Thorne, Yorkshire (Widow) George H Fareham 3 Harriet Fareham 4/12 Herbert Shepherd 26
.........................could it be possible that this Harriet and your Harriet are one in the same????
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Catherine
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26 Jul 2013 21:15 |
This looks to be George H. Fareham in 1901:-
1901 England Census about George Faireham Name: George Faireham [Goerge Faireham] Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Darfield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Darfield Ecclesiastical parish: Darfield All Saints Town: Low Valley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration District: Barnsley Sub-registration District: Darfield ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 218 Piece: 4319 Folio: 84 Page Number: 43 Household Members: Name Age William Fletcher 67 Mary A Fletcher 68 William Faireham 17 Mary J Faireham 14 George Faireham 13 ............................................
Wondering if this could be the marriage for Jane A. from 1891 census?
Marriages Jun 1883 (>99%) xxxx Fareham William Henry Barnsley 9c 215 Findlow Elizabeth Barnsley 9c 215 xxxx Fletcher Jane Ann Barnsley 9c 215 SQUIRES Thomas Barnsley 9c 215
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.....................and this could possibly be the death of her husband William Henry?
Deaths Jun 1889 (>99%) FAREHAM William Henry 29 Barnsley 9c 141
.................so if all of this is true, then Jane was a widow from the 1889 so was probably the father of George Fareham:-
Births Dec 1887 (>99%) Fareham George Henry Barnsley 9c 218
..................................but who was the father of Harriet????
Births Dec 1890 (>99%) Fairham Harriet Barnsley 9c 226
(although she was born in last quarter of 1890 and not 1891)?
But, as I said before, it is just a theory!
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Catherine
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26 Jul 2013 21:22 |
Carrying on from my theory.........................
Couldn't find a Harriet Fareham in 1901, but I did find this:-
1901 England Census about Harriet Shepard Name: Harriet Shepard [Harriet Shepherd] Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Wombwell, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Haddenham Ecclesiastical parish: Haddenham St Mary Town: Haddenham County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Aylesbury Sub-registration District: Haddenham ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 158 Piece: 1354 Folio: 32 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Shepard 73 Emma Shepard 63 Harriet Shepard 10
................Harriet born same date and place as Harriet Fareham but here living with Herbert Shepard's parents and noted as Grandaughter.
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This is Herbert in 1881 with his parents, Joseph and Emma (same as above census):-
1881 England Census about Herbert Shepherd Name: Herbert Shepherd Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Son Father's Name: Joseph Shepherd Mother's Name: Emma Shepherd Gender: Male Where born: Haddenham, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Haddenham County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street Address: Croft Occupation: Ag Lab Registration District: Aylesbury Sub-registration District: Haddenham ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1471 Folio: 13 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Shepherd 50 Emma Shepherd 44 Herbert Shepherd 17 Sarah Ann Shepherd 12 William Shepherd 10
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Catherine
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26 Jul 2013 21:31 |
In 1911, above Harriet (born 1890, Wombwell, Yorkshire) is living in Middlesex as was Herbert Shepherd:-
TAYLOR, Louise Head Married F 55 1856 Private Means Harrogate Yorks VIEW TAYLOR, Chales William Son Unmarried M 16 1895 Student Of Chemistry Tefracombe Devon VIEW xxxx SHEPPERD, Harriet Servant Single F 20 1891 General Servant Domestic Wombwell Yorks VIEW xxxx
RG number: RG14 Piece: 6894 Reference: RG14PN6894 RG78PN343A RD128 SD4 ED27 SN196 Registration District: Brentford Sub District: Brentford Enumeration District: 27 Parish: Ealing Address: 25 Carew Road Ealing County: Middlesex
....................and Brentford is just a few miles from Southall !!!!
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alviegal
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26 Jul 2013 21:47 |
Think this may be Jane Ann in 1901.
Civil Registration event: Marriage Print Close Name: FAIRHAM, Jane Ann Registration district: Barnsley County: Yorkshire Year of registration: 1897 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 9C Page no: 313
MarriageFinder: Jane Ann Fairham married one of the following people:
CHAPPELL, Reuben
HARRISON, Harry
1901 census transcription details for: Highfield Road, Horbury Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 4287 Folio: 78 Page: 25 Reg. District: Wakefield Sub District: Horbury Parish: Horbury Enum. District: 4 Ecclesiastical District: Horbury St Peter's City/Municipal Borough: Address: Highfield Road, Horbury County: Yorkshire (West riding) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born CHAPPELL, Reuben Head Married M 35 1866 Platelayer's Labourer Horbury, Yorkshire CHAPPELL, Jane A Wife Married F 35 1866 Doncaster, Yorkshire CHAPPELL, Edith Daughter Single F 3 1898 Horbury, Yorkshire
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alviegal
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26 Jul 2013 21:50 |
And her death.
Civil Registration event: Death Print Close Name: CHAPPELL, Jane Ann Registration district: Wakefield County: Yorkshire Year of registration: 1903 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death: 56 Volume no: 9C Page no: 48
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Catherine
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26 Jul 2013 21:52 |
1901 Harriet was living reg.dist. Aylesbury. There was a Charles Shepherd born in 1907 same reg.dist. :-
Births Jun 1907 (>99%) Shepherd Charles Aylesbury 3a 1021
....................which would make Harriet 17yrs old so is possible?
Need to find him in 1911 now to confirm or eliminate!
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alviegal
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26 Jul 2013 21:53 |
That certainly looks good to me Catherine. A great piece of sleuthing!
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Catherine
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26 Jul 2013 21:55 |
This could very well be him in 1911????
HARRIS, H Frederick George Father Widower M 72 1839 Warickshire VIEW CARVETH, Annie Daughter Widow M 45 1866 Dressmaker Kilburn VIEW HARRIS, Amy Daughter Single F 26 1885 Card Board Box Hand N Kilburn VIEW CARVETH, Jessie Granddaughter Single F 22 1889 Card Board Hand Box Chelsea VIEW SHEPHERD, Charlie Nurse Child M 3 1908 Aylesbury VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 206 Reference: RG14PN206 RG78PN7 RD3 SD1 ED12 SN307 Registration District: Fulham Sub District: North Hammersmith Enumeration District: 12 Parish: Hammersmith Address: 14 Wilton Road Hammersmith W County: London
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Catherine
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26 Jul 2013 22:09 |
Thanks alviegal, It does all seem to fit together nicely but Christopher's going to have to buy a few certs. to prove it all I'm afraid. Hope he comes back to see what he thinks.
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Christopher
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27 Jul 2013 08:05 |
Thank you all. Plenty to go on :-)
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Catherine
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27 Jul 2013 13:25 |
Christopher, You haven't answered any of the questions posed.
What did Harriet give as her address and occupation on the marriage cert. ? When and where was Charles born?
Do you think my theory is plausable?
Do you have any other information, no matter how small, that fits with any of the information I found?
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Christopher
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28 Jul 2013 21:37 |
Catherine, sorry I am looking at the information that you have all supplied and collating it with the information I have as soon as i have completed running your findings against my own i shall get back to you...but in the mean time in answer to your above questions: Her address was the same as her husbands at the time of marriage, she had no occupation. Still checking on Charles. Regards Chris
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