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3 Sep 2013 07:34 |
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georgi Report 2 Sep 2013 19:52 Only have James Edwards on 1881 Census Living with Charlotte C Wale nee Payton and c/d in Croydon Surrey. Have him at marriage to Charlotte 1888 in Croydon Surrey. He is 35 and a Labourer. Have him again in 1891 on death aged 38. He died of a fall in Jan. His dad was John and John was deceased at marriage 1888. Don't know anything more of John. James thought he was b in Croydon but no one can find him. Any idea how I can find either of these two men? Regards
Chris Ho :) 3 Sep 2013 07:34 Perhaps the John Edwards witness on Aaron Agent first Marriage could relate?...
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21 Jul 2013 22:23 |
I do have Charlotte's Mother as Charlotte Collins b 1822 Chidham Sussex. Married to William H Payton Nov 1866 London. He was previously married to Anne Rowe b 1822 England. Married 1843 Hampshire. William H Payton died 1879 so maybe Charlotte married again. Quite a puzzle. Thanks for your interest. Beryl
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21 Jul 2013 21:01 |
(would be her Mother)
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1881 AGENT, Aron Head Married M 45 1836 Croydon, Surrey AGENT, Charlotte Wife Married F 60 1821 Southampton, Hampshire Piece: 815 Folio: 29 Page: 9 Registration District: Croydon Civil Parish: Croydon Municipal Borough: Address: 10, Windmill Grove, Croydon County: Surrey
1871 PAYTON, Henry Head M 54 1817 Wales (Plumber) PAYTON, Charlotte Wife F 49 1822 Sussex PAYTON, Caroline Daughter F 16 1855 Surrey WASSELL, Henry Lodger M 21 1850 Kent Piece: 845 Folio: 41 Page: 3 Registration District: Croydon Civil Parish: Croydon Municipal Borough: Address: Windmill Grove, Croydon County: Surrey
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21 Jul 2013 20:29 |
Hi, This gets a little more confusing. Charlotte Payton married William James Wale 1873 & then James Edwards in 1888. She was also living with James Edwards in 1881. Surely she wouldn't have married Aaron Agent in 1880. I think it must be a different Charlotte Payton. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Will keep it in mind.
Beryl
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21 Jul 2013 08:50 |
(just an observation, which you might have noticed (may not be connected even!) but witness on 1888 Marriage was Charlotte Agent (Mother) did notice Aaron Agent had a John Edwards as witness on his first Marriage)
Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937 Name: Aaron Agent (Soldier) Age: 23 Birth Year: abt 1832 Marriage Date: 20 May 1855 Archive Provided Parish: Farncombe, St John Parish as it Appears: Farncombe Spouse: Jrrah Ann Hook Spouse Age: 30 Father: William Agent Spouse Father: John Hook (witnesses, John Edwards, Rhoda Summers)
Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------- AGENT Aaron Croydon 2a 382 Payton Charlotte Croydon 2a 382
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20 Jul 2013 23:08 |
William James Wale's father was William James Wale an Upholsterer. Witnesses were William Harry Payton Kate Henery Saunders Some of the c/d were named Wale at birth and seems they changed to Edwards later.
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20 Jul 2013 19:27 |
How about this....
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about James Whale
Name: James Whale Record Type Baptism Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1845 Father's Name: William Whale.....Labourer Mother's Name: Elizabeth Whale Parish or Poor Law Union: Guildford St Nicholas County: Surrey Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about James Wale
Name: James Wale Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1845 Registration District: Guildford Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 4 Page: 185
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20 Jul 2013 18:50 |
Could Charlotte and James Edwards have been together in 1881, maybe they didn't marry until 1888 because that's when William James/James Wale died!
Name: James Edwards Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Edwards Mother's Name: Charlotte Edwards
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England
Street Address: 14 Forster Rd
Daniel Gaffney 62 Emma Gaffney 56 James Edwards 27 .....Lodger, Labourer Charlotte Edwards 26.....Tailoress James Edwards 2 Eliza Edwards....8mth Misty x
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20 Jul 2013 18:39 |
same family in 1851
James Wale 38 - Clog maker Ann Wale 35 James Wale 10 - Shoreditch Robert Wale 8 William Wale 3 Ann Wale 4 Richard Wale 1
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Gwyn in Kent
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20 Jul 2013 18:33 |
On the marriage certificate, what is the occupation of William WALE (senior) and who are the witnesses.?
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20 Jul 2013 18:27 |
???????? Could well be Wale on original
1861
William Wall
Age:16 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1845 Relation:Son Father's Name:James Wall Mother's Name:Ann Wall
Where born:London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish:Shoreditch St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish:St James County/Island:Middlesex
James Wall 49 Ann Wall 45 James Wall 20 <<<<<<<< Robert Wall 18 William Wall 16 Ann Wall 15 Richard Wall 10 Edward Wall 4 Emma Wall 6 Walter Wall 3
What was his father's occupation on the marriage cert ? This one looks like possibly Last Maker on 1861
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20 Jul 2013 17:55 |
Many thanks. Yes I do have the second marriage and quite a bit about them but I am stuck on William James Wale before or after the marriage in 1873. Regards, Beryl
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20 Jul 2013 17:47 |
Looks like his wife remarried
ame: Charlotte Caroline Wale Widow [Charlotte Caroline Payton] Age: 34 Birth Year: abt 1854 Marriage Date: 29 Jan 1888 Archive Provided Parish: Croydon, Holy Saviour Parish as it Appears: Croydon, St Saviour Spouse: James Edwards Spouse Age: 35 Father: Henry Payton Spouse Father: John Edwards Reference Number: 7406/1/17
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20 Jul 2013 17:45 |
Maybe this is Charlotte remarrying....??
Marriages Mar 1888 EDWARDS James Croydon 2a 271 REEVES Alfred Croydon 2a 271 WALE Charlotte Caroline Croydon 2a 271 <<<<<<<<< WHITE Maud Minnie Croydon 2a 271
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20 Jul 2013 17:44 |
In case you don't have this....
Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937 about Charlotte Caroline Wale Name: Charlotte Caroline Wale [Charlotte Caroline Payton] (Widow) Age: 34 Birth Year: abt 1854 Marriage Date: 29 Jan 1888 Archive Provided Parish: Croydon, Holy Saviour Parish as it Appears: Croydon, St Saviour Spouse: James Edwards (Bachelor) Labourer Spouse Age: 35 Father: Henry Payton (Deceased) Plumber Spouse Father: John Edwards (Deceased) Labourer Reference Number: 7406/1/17
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20 Jul 2013 17:33 |
Have his wedding Cert. Married Dec 1873 South Norwood, Surrey to Charlotte Caroline Payton. He was 28 and she 20. He was a soldier in 2nd Battalion 4th Reg. His father was William James Wale. Can't find anything more about him. Regards, Beryl
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