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DET and Reggie,

Sorry to ask but have either of you actually taken a look at the 1861 ref(s)???

RG09 piece 236 folio 156 page 31

RG09 piece 236 folio 156 page 32

All the best,
Maureen

For what purpose, Maureen?

I was just giving general factual info.................I don't plan on getting involved in this search

OK.sorry.
Don't make me nervous.

Just pointing out that the address given on one baptism and one marriage within the span of 13 or so years gives the same address:
53 Murray Street

Well..I did try to give the 1861 ref as to where it SHOULD be.

Maureen

Thanks for all the help. I'll check out Murray Street later today
Gradually piecing this together

There must be a lot of pages missing.
RG9/236/156 only has 49 people and 2 pages 31/32 and does not include the Martins' address.

1861 Census
St Leonard Shoreditch
Shoreditch
RG09 piece 236 folio 163 page 2

(from below FMP, then previous image, the Brass Finisher?, torn image!)

PHILPOT, Rodolph Head Married M ?
Piece: 236
Folio: 164
Page: 3
Registration District: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Municipal Borough:
Address: 49, Murray Street, St Leonard Shoreditch
County: London

Chris :)

(are there previous Martin 'Threads' relating?)

edits (quite a few)

Thanks again for all your help. I think I've pinned down the two older generations of the Martins now.

William Martin 1809 and William Martin 1847 - I'm certain I have all their children - Now to find out what happened to them all!

A final note on the two William Martins who were both brass finishers.

William Martin, born 1809 to parents Thomas and Jane at Shepherd's Place, Spitalfields, had two brothers, George and Charles, and a sister Jane.

William died at 53 Murray Street in December 1886. His son William, born June 1847 at 16 King Street, died in December 1929 at the North Middlesex Hospital while living at 15 Seaford Road. Both died of chronic bronchitis which, we understand, was an illness caused by their employment

Thanks again to all

i know im probably breaking rules but we are having trouble finding out to what happend to three of the martins after 1911 census firstly walter b 1886 hoxton henry b1888 hoxton john born 1893,it says on 1901 census he was born walthamstow this may be incorrect could still be hoxton ,walter and henry are the main two were looking for we may have an avenue for john,we do appreciate all your help if anyone can help us we would be very grateful,all were at 13 felton st 1901,walter and john moved to seaford rd tottenham 1911, any info on either would be very grateful many thanks stephen marden

Have you looked on FreeBMD for possible marriages

Also check the CWGC site for WW1 casualties

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MARTIN, WALTER

Rank:
Private
Service No:
5754
Date of Death:
27/02/1915
Age:
35
Regiment/Service:
East Surrey Regiment

"A" Coy. 1st Bn.
Grave Reference
A. 5.
Cemetery
NIEUWKERKE (NEUVE-EGLISE) CHURCHYARD
Additional Information:
Son of the late William Martin, of Rotherhithe, London; husband of Mrs. Ada Martin, of 52, Rotherhithe St., Rotherhithe, London.

A tree on Ancestry suggests that this is the marriage

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Walter Martin

Name: Walter Martin - soldier
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Age: 19
Spouse Name: Ada Drake
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Oct 1899
Parish: Rotherhithe Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Martin - Deceased. Occ Leather something
Spouse Father: Francis Edward Drake
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for both 7 Bulford St

Witnesses F E Drake and the mark of Matilda Drake

1911 England Census about Walter Martin
Name: Walter Martin
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hoxton, London, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 15 Seaford Road, Tottenham
Marital Status: Single<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation: Carman
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: West Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 7290
Household Members:
Name Age
William Martin 63
Emm Martin 59
Walter Martin 25
John Martin 18
Esther Martin 15

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 about Emma Martin
Name: Emma Martin +William
Year: 1926
County or Borough: Haringey
Ward or Division/Constituency: Tottenham
Street address: 15 Seaford Road
Other at this address Amelia Fletcher

we now know a little more about walter martin he was born felton st hoxton 1885 lived in 8 clacton rd walthamstow enlisted in the army 1915 served in alexandria 1ww end of war based at longmoor camp military railway his last address in 1922 was 15 seaford rd tottenham he was 36 at the time after that we know nothing about him any clues out there many thanks stephen