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Can any one help? This lady married Moses Hayes my Great Great Grandfather in 1973. The story in the family is that she came to this country (Newport in 1870) following the Otto Von Bismark war the dates would fit but she arrived pregnant or with a son Joseph born 1870 or 1871.In the census she is listed in one as born Devon and one as born Newport. I can't seem to find her maiden name not sure if it's Cordey (which is a Breton Name) Any advice? The Breton origin has been the source of many tales over the years and my relatives Grandfather and Great Grandfather look Breton. Very strange would like to know more.

Thanks If anyone can help.

Hi Margaret - welcome to the boards.

Can I just clarify, do you mean she married Moses in 1873?

For ref

Reg. District: Newport
Sub District: St Woollos
Parish: Risca
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Pontywain, Risca
County: Monmouthshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HAYES, Moses Head Married M 33 1848 Coal Miner
Risca, Monmouthshire
HAYES, Mary J Wife Married F 35 1846 Domestic Duties
Newport, Monmouthshire
HAYES, Sarah J Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
HAYES, Mary E Daughter Single F 3 1878
Nk, Monmouthshire
HAYES, Frank Son Single M 1 1880
Risca, Monmouthshire
CARDEY, Joseph H Step Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Machen, Monmouthshire
DAVIES, David Boarder Single M 26 1855 Coal Miner
Nk, Glamorganshire, Wales
JONES, William Visitor Married M 40 1841 Shingler
Nk, Monmouthshire

I think your first step (if you haven't already) is to buy the marriage certificate for further info:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Moses Hayes
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1873
Registration District: Pontypool
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 150

Records on Page:
Name
Mary Jane Cordey
Moses Hayes

Have you got their marriage cert Margaret? This would show her maiden name (I assume you think she might have married previously?).
Jan

1871
eg. District: Newport
Sub District: Mynyddyslwyn
Parish: Lower Machen
Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: River Row, Lower Machen
County: Monmouthshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CLIFFORD, William Head M 21 1850 Gloucestershire
CLIFFORD, Mary Wife F 20 1851 Monmouthshire
CLIFFORD, Mary A Daughter F 0 1871 Monmouthshire
CARDEY, Mary J Lodger F 25 1846 Devon
CARDEY, Joseph Lodger's Son M 0 1871 Monmouthshire..............10 months old on original census




Births Sep 1870
CORDEY Joseph Newport, M. 11a 189

I'm sure there's a Newport in Devon? Could that have been mistaken as Newport in Monmouthshire on the 1881?

EDIT: On that 1871 she's a widowed needlewoman from Cockwood?? Devonshire.

This is obviously the Mary you have for 1871. However, have you noticed the other Cardey's on the next page?

1871 Wales Census
Name: Mary J Cardey
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Cockermouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Lower Machen
Town: Lower Machen
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration District: Newport
Sub-registration District: Mynyddyslwyn

William Clifford 21
Mary Clifford 20
Mary A Clifford 1 Month
Mary J Cardey 25
Joseph Cardey 10 Months

Yep....Def in need of her MC to Moses and prob could use Josephs birth cert too..

Fans

Arghhhhhhhhhhh...You deleted Jan....!

Oooops No you didnt..Im going nuts.Sorry..:D

I noted Cardey/Cordeys on the page of 1871 census too..

Found the marriage:

Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record

Grooms Last Name: Hayes
Grooms First Name: Moses
Grooms Fathers First Name: John - a miner
Grooms Fathers Last Name: Hayes
Grooms Parish:
Grooms Age: Full
Brides Last Name: Cordey
Brides First Name: Mary Jane - a widow
Brides Fathers First Name: Joseph - a labourer
Brides Fathers Last Name: Causfer
Brides Parish:
Brides Age: Full
County: Monmouthshire
Place / Parish: Llanhiledd
Marriage Year: 1873
Marriage Month: Mar
Marriage Day: 7
Page: 63
Record source: Monmouthshire Marriages - Transcripts
Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

Witnesses: John Mannell (Morrell??) and an Eliza same surname.

EDIT: Have added more detail above.

Well done MC...!

Brilliant MC!

I think the surname on the image looks more like Canfer, but not finding any records under either variation.

Looks a possibility that the other Cardys on the 1871 might be family of her first husband?

But look at this ladies..!!

Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record

Print Close
Day: 05
Month: Jun
Year: 1870
Forename(s): Joseph
Surname: Cordy
Relationship: Son
Abode: Machen
Parent's Name: Moses & Mary Jane
Parent's Trade or Profession: Collier
Notes:
Minister & Position: William Phillips, Curate
Parish: Risca
Church: St Mary
County: Monmouthshire

The others in 1871, for reference:

CARDEY, William Head M 39 1832 Monmouthshire , a collier (widower)
CARDEY, George J Son M 11 1860 Monmouthshire
CARDEY, Beatrice Daughter F 9 1862 Monmouthshire
CARDEY, Edith A Daughter F 7 1864 Monmouthshire
RIDLER, Eliza Servant F 37 1834 Not Known

Piece: 5353 Folio: 137 Page: 30
Registration District: Newport
Civil Parish: Lower Machen

Address: River Row, Lower Machen County: Monmouthshire

Possible her first husband actually was called Moses, too:

Parish Record Collection - Burial Record


Last name: Cordey
First Name: Moses
County: Monmouthshire
Place / Parish: Risca
Age: 33
Burial Year: 1870
Burial Month: Oct
Burial Day: 26
Died Year: -
Died Month: -
Died Day: -
Fathers Forenames: -
Mothers Forenames: -
Husbands Forenames: -
Page: 145
Record source: Monmouthshire Burials - Transcripts
Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

I know Cansfer doesn't look like Kentspear, but say them out loud:

Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record

Grooms Last Name: Cardy
Grooms First Name: Moses - collier
Grooms Fathers First Name: Charles
Grooms Fathers Last Name: Cardy
Grooms Parish:
Grooms Age: Full
Brides Last Name: Kentspear
Brides First Name: Mary Jane
Brides Fathers First Name: Joseph - labourer
Brides Fathers Last Name: Kentspear
Brides Parish:
Brides Age: Full
County: Monmouthshire
Place / Parish: Newport, St Woolos
Marriage Year: 1866
Marriage Month: Oct
Marriage Day: 22
Page: 250
Record source: Monmouthshire Marriages - Transcripts
Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

Neither married before.

Witnesses: Rosa Chalker and J N Gregory.

Was just going to put this 1851 Jan.

Reg. District: Newport
Sub District: Mynyddyslwyn
Parish: Machen
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: Lower Machen
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: River Row, Machen
County: Monmouthshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CARDEY, Grace Head Widow F 52 1799
Poulton, Gloucestershire
CARDEY, Moses Son Unmarried M 12 1839 Collier
Machen, Monmouthshire
PRICE, John Lodger Married M 32 1819 Grocer
Knighton, Radnorshire
PRICE, Sarah Wife Married F 30 1821
Newland, Gloucestershire
PRICE, Sarah Jane Daughter F 6 1845
Treverthin, Monmouthshire

Looks like you cracked it you two...Well done MC and Jan...Good work...