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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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14 Jul 2013 06:59 |
Better than talking to yourself MC :-)
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Sheila
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14 Jul 2013 01:06 |
I have not used this site previously but wish to thank you all for your help - hope this message will reach everyone who found out details with regard to Peter Sewell. Once again Thank You All
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MarieCeleste
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13 Jul 2013 21:24 |
Thanks for that Cynthia, it was starting to look as though Jude and I were just talking to each other! :-)
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Cynthia
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13 Jul 2013 19:24 |
Hello Sheila, and welcome to the Community boards.
As Sheila is a new poster, a friendly message on how to return to her thread is winging it's way to her. :-)
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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13 Jul 2013 11:30 |
I did wonder if the T was for Turner!!! It must be him in 1947-1953 (surely) having moved back to Providence (there is a Ralph Sewell and wife Emma there all the intervening years - wonder if related). But strange that thirty years + after she died, he suddenly resurrects her ;-)
Still wonder what happened to little Rosie?
And...where is HE in 1940 census :-0
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MarieCeleste
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13 Jul 2013 09:04 |
This record shows the American practice of using the maiden name as middle name:
Massachusetts, Death Records, 1841-1915
Name: Emma Turner Sewell Death Date: 1914 Death Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts, USA
Died of breast cancer, ill for 9 months. Buried 31 Dec 1914 Rural Cemetery.
The informant stated as Peter Sewell (per CE Vaughan) 28 Winsor Street.
(Was it him in 1951 and he was confused as to who he was married to?)
ADDED: Well done Jude!
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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13 Jul 2013 08:20 |
Just throwing around ides...there is this death in Bedford Mass.
Name Emma Sewell Event Type Death Event Date 28 Dec 1914 Event Place New Bedford,,Massachusetts Gender Female Age 46 Marital Status Married Birth Date 27 Apr 1868 Birthplace England Father's Name John Turner Spouse's Name Peter Sewell
Would explain why Emma is replaced by Esther?
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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13 Jul 2013 08:08 |
I've found Peter J and Emma T at 48 Melissa in 1947 and 1953 as well...as for the 1937 death, yes I agree that it's an assumption because he doesn't feature on 1940 census. There is no back-up reference for it.
Indexing on A really bugging me on this one. There are dozens of references to Emma T "in the missing years" but when you look at the image Emma is not Sewall and Sewall is not Emma aaaaggghhhh!!!!!!!!!!
It would be good if we could find the 1906 marriage referred to in 1910.
Jude
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MarieCeleste
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13 Jul 2013 07:53 |
Morning Jude!
I have a suspicion that the 1951 Peter and Emma are different people in Rhode Island, especially given the appearance of middle initials and as they're nowhere to be found previously.
There are 2 trees on Ancestry that have more or less the same info (most likely copied) and they both state he died about 1937 in MA. If Sheila hasn't already done so, it would be worth her contacting them (via Mundia if not an Ancestry member) and finding out where they got the info. However, it's possible that they've made an assumption on 1937 being midway between the 1934 city directory and the 1940 census that he doesn't appear to be on.
This one is really annoying me!
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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13 Jul 2013 07:43 |
As Lewis Carroll said "curiouser and curiouser". So MC - two separate Peters after all do you think?
This is his first marriage
Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%) Evans Annie Oldham 8d 875 SEWELL Peter Oldham 8d 875
and this is probably his birth
Name: Peter Sewell Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1863 Registration District: Oldham Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 451
So this ties in with 1930 census "age at first marriage".
So while first Peter in Providence ties in with him going to his cousin's how do we explain Emma disappearing for thirty-odd years? :-S :-S :-S :-S :-S :-S :-S :-S :-S :-S
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MarieCeleste
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12 Jul 2013 20:17 |
City Directories:
U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989
Name: Peter Sewall Residence Year: 1907 Street Address: 192 Mendon av - same address in 1909 Residence Place: Pawtucket, Rhode Island Publication Title: Pawtucket, Rhode Island, City Directory, 1907
Name: Peter Sewall Residence Year: 1910 Street Address: 188 Mendon av (same in 1911) Residence Place: Pawtucket, Rhode Island Publication Title: Pawtucket, Rhode Island, City Directory, 1910
Name: Peter Sewell Residence Year: 1912 Street Address: 435 Cottage Residence Place: Pawtucket, Rhode Island Occupation: Spinner Publication Title: Pawtucket, Rhode Island, City Directory, 1912
Name: Peter Sewall Residence Year: 1914 (1915 & 1916 same) Street Address: 28 Winsor Residence Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts Occupation: Operative Publication Title: New Bedford, Massachusetts, City Directory, 1914
Name: Peter Sewell - operative Residence Year: 1921 Street Address: 148 Bonney Residence Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts Publication Title: New Bedford, Massachusetts, City Directory, 1921 *** Esther is listed on this one
Name: Peter Sewell Gender: Male Residence Year: 1923 Street Address: 71 Ruth Residence Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts Occupation: Operator Spouse: Esther Sewell Publication Title: New Bedford, Massachusetts, City Directory, 1923
Name: Peter Sewell Gender: Male Residence Year: 1926 Street Address: 345 Purchase Residence Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts Occupation: Operator Spouse: Esther Sewell Publication Title: New Bedford, Massachusetts, City Directory, 1926
Name: Peter Sewell Gender: Male Residence Year: 1927 - 1930 the same Street Address: 708 First Residence Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts Occupation: Operator Spouse: Esther Sewell Publication Title: New Bedford, Massachusetts, City Directory, 1927
Name: Peter Sewell Residence Year: 1932 Street Address: 1089 Acushnet av Residence Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts Occupation: Operator Publication Title: New Bedford, Massachusetts, City Directory, 1932 *** No mention of Esther
Name: Peter Sewell Residence Year: 1934 Street Address: 39 Acushnet av Residence Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts Occupation: Opr Rll Publication Title: New Bedford, Massachusetts, City Directory, 1934
Name: Peter J Sewall Gender: Male Residence Year: 1951 Street Address: 48 Melissa Residence Place: Providence, Rhode Island Spouse: Emma T Sewall Publication Title: Providence, Rhode Island, City Directory, 1951
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MarieCeleste
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12 Jul 2013 19:53 |
I know we've looked at them, but going to post the census as a timeline:
1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Peter Sewall Age in 1910: 46 Birth Year: abt 1864 Birthplace: England Home in 1910: Pawtucket Ward 2, Providence, Rhode Island Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1906 [1896] Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married (4 years) Spouse's Name: Emma Sewall Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England
Household Members: Name Age Peter Sewall 46 - Mulespinner (cotton mill) Emma Sewall 41 b England Rosie Sewall 0 [3/12] b Rhode Island
Street Address: 188 Mindon Avenue ..........................................................................................................................
1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Peter Sewel Age: 55 Birth Year: abt 1865 Birthplace: England Home in 1920: New Bedford Ward 6, Bristol, Massachusetts Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1906 Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Esther Sewel Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Home Owned: Rent Able to Read: Yes Able to Write: Yes
Household Members: Name Age Peter Sewel 55 - Mulespinner (cotton mill) Esther Sewel 54 - works in cotton mill, b England, arrival either 1890 or 1896
Street address: 198 Grehard? Street ..................................................................................................................
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Peter Sewell Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1864 Birthplace: England Race: White Home in 1930: New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts
Marital Status: Married Immigration Year: 1906 Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Ester Sewell - operative in cotton mill
Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation: operative in cotton mill Age at first marriage: 20 Parents' birthplace: England
Household Members: Name Age Peter Sewell 66 Ester Sewell 66 b England, first married at 20. Arrived in US 1900
Street address: 708 First Street.
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MarieCeleste
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12 Jul 2013 19:29 |
There are Peter Sewalls in the city directories as follows:
1907 - 1910 Pawtucket, Rhode Island 1914 - 1916 Bedford, Massachusetts 1951 Providence, Rhode Island
No wives names listed on the earlier ones (I'm not sure that they always were). Surname always spelled as SewAll, occupation either "house" or "operative".
Did he move back to Rhode Island when he retired?
Stumped!!
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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12 Jul 2013 18:57 |
The plot thickens :-S
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Tenerife Sun
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12 Jul 2013 18:49 |
Peter J Sewell and Emma T still had their names in the Rhode Island Directory in 1951
Name: Peter J Sewall Gender: Male Residence Year: 1951 Street Address: 48 Melissa Residence Place: Providence, Rhode Island Spouse: Emma T Sewall Publication Title: Providence, Rhode Island, City Directory, 1951
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MarieCeleste
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12 Jul 2013 14:51 |
The reason I think that the 1896 arrival stated on the 1910 census is a mistake is because there were no arrivals for Peter Sewell in 1896 or thereabouts, other than a USA citizen Peter N Sewell in 1894 who was a merchant travelling with his family.
My thought is that if it was Emma who gave the info to the enumerator then she may have given her year of arrival for both of them.
On the 1930 census Esther gives her year of arrival as 1900 whereas on the 1920 she says it was 1890 so the arrival info from any of the census can't be taken as accurate.
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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12 Jul 2013 11:47 |
Yeah that's what I though MC - but it's definitely 1896 for both he and Emma!
Sure that Emma and Esther are different people - so what happened to Emma and Rosie?
:-)
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MarieCeleste
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12 Jul 2013 11:34 |
The Peter Sewell from Oldham was originally headed to Providence, RI so that 1910 is is highly likely to be the right one.
I strongly suspect that the immigration year of 1896 is an error.
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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12 Jul 2013 09:41 |
Not sure 1910 is the same Peter as the one from Oldham and the one in 1920 and 1930
In 1910 census, Peter and Emma have original year of immigration in 1896
In 1920 Peter is 1906 (fits) Esther is 1890
Jude
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MarieCeleste
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12 Jul 2013 09:32 |
I can't make my mind up about Esther/Emma.
There are no births registered for a Rosie in Rhode Island for the time of any surname with those parents first names.
There's no Peter Sewell in either Rhode Island or Massachusetts city directories, no death record - it's like he managed to stay under the radar.
(The passenger list I looked at said spinner?) EDIT: The outgoing from UK says weaver, the NY arrival says spinner
Got to go out now, will poke around later.
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