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9 Jul 2013 13:33 |
trying to find birth data on my great grandfather Thomas Duggin. Census records suggest he was born in Manchester around 1853, but can't find any birth certificate .
He married Mary Ann Flood in Manchester in 1878.
His father, also Thomas was reputedly from Queens County Ireland, but I can't find anything on him either.
Any help/suggestions gratefully received
Thomas Joseph Duggin
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MarieCeleste
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9 Jul 2013 14:06 |
Hello Thomas, welcome to the boards.
Before 1874 there was no penalty on parents if they didn't register children's births so it's quite possible he slipped through the net.
Do you have Thomas jnr's marriage certificate in case any of the witnesses were relatives?
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Porkie_Pie
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9 Jul 2013 14:07 |
Thomas, Registration was not compulsory at that time so his birth may not have been registered.
Births Sep 1852?? Duggan Thomas Manchester 8d 170
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Catherine
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9 Jul 2013 14:09 |
I wonder?
1861 England Census about Thomas Duggan Name: Thomas Duggan Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Duggan Mother's Name: Hannah Duggan Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: (of father) Shoe Maker ? Lodging house
Registration District: Liverpool Sub-registration District: Dale Street ED, institution, or vessel: 3b Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 168 Piece: 2666 Folio: 26 Page Number: 50 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Duggan 29 Hannah Duggan 30 Thomas Duggan 7 John Duggan 5 Catharine Duggan 2
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MarieCeleste
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9 Jul 2013 14:10 |
There is this record, though
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Thomas Duggan Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1852 Registration District: Manchester Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 170
That record's from Ancestry but it's also on FreeBMD.
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MarieCeleste
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9 Jul 2013 14:14 |
I was curious about this 1861:
DUGGAN, John Head Married M 32 1829 Brick Maker Dublin DUGGAN, Jane Wife Married F 32 1829 Labourer Manchester DUGGAN, Thomas Son M 8 1853 Scholar Manchester DUGGAN, Michael Father Widower M 45 1816 Brick Maker Dublin
Piece: 2932 Folio: 18 Page: 40 Registration District: Manchester Civil Parish: Manchester Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 16, Napier Street, Manchester County: Lancashire
I know the father's name is different, but ......
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Catherine
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9 Jul 2013 14:15 |
This looks to be the Thomas born 1852, Manchester:-
1861 England Census about Thomas Duggan Name: Thomas Duggan Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Duggan Mother's Name: Jane Duggan Gender: Male Where born: Manchester Civil Parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: (of father:- Brush Maker)
Registration District: Manchester Sub-registration District: Ancoats ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 178 Piece: 2932 Folio: 18 Page Number: 38 Household Members: Name Age John Duggan 32 born: Dublin, Ireland Jane Duggan 32 Thomas Duggan 8 Michael Duggan 65
...........but his father is John, not Thomas?
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Catherine
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9 Jul 2013 14:15 |
What does father Thomas give as his occupation on the marriage cert. of Thomas and Mary Ann?
Any idea if he had any siblings?
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Porkie_Pie
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9 Jul 2013 14:17 |
Is this the marriage?
Marriages Sep 1878 ...............Duggin Thomas Chorlton 8c 959 ...............FLOOD Mary Ann Chorlton 8c 959 ROWBOTHAM Mary Ellen Chorlton 8c 959 WIGLEY John Chorlton 8c 959
Note the district is Chorlton
Births Mar 1853 ?? Duggan Thomas Frederick Chorlton 8c 478
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CHORLTON REGISTRATION DISTRICT •Registration County : Lancashire. •Created : 1.7.1837. •Abolished : 1.1.1925 (to become Manchester South registration district). •Sub-districts : Ardwick, Barton, Chorlton upon Medlock, Didsbury, Gorton, Hulme, Openshaw, Rusholme, Stretford. •GRO volumes : XX (1837–51), 8c (1852–1924). •Registers currently held at : Manchester, Salford and Trafford
from lancs bmds
DUGGIN Thomas FLOOD Mary A 1878 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registar Attended Manchester Lancashire CHO_RM/47/165
lancs bmds gives place of birth forThomas Frederick in Mar quarter 1853 is down as Ardwick
Roy
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Thomas
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9 Jul 2013 16:59 |
thanks Roy
yes the marriage was 4 8 1878 at st wilfreds rc church hulme.
I will try to get the marriage cert
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9 Jul 2013 18:28 |
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1852 DUGGAN Thomas Deansgate Manchester DEA/37/80
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1853 DUGGAN Thomas Frederick - Ardwick Manchester ARD/28/
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Catherine
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10 Jul 2013 08:54 |
Thomas, If you don't already have the marriage cert. then how do you know that his father was also called Thomas?
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Thomas
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18 Jul 2013 10:41 |
The marriage certificate shows the father as Thomas (deceased) a ships steward.
The church record suggests he was born in Queens County Ireland
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