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John Giles and Elizabeth Ash and Eleanor Lines

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Vivienne

Vivienne Report 8 Jul 2013 10:43

Thanks very much. The baptism of John 1833 in Shoreditch is correct. IJust information about his parents and siblings is the mystery. Can't find anything about his dad's death date/place, nor any info on his step mother and siblings other than the Census

Regards
Viv Crudeli, Geraldton Western Australia

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Jul 2013 10:25

Re: the John Giles b 1856 shown on the 1871 - I'm wondering if he was actually a grandson mis-recorded?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Jul 2013 10:22

Looking at th original of the 1851, Robert A's middle name certainly looks like Albert:

GILES, John Head Married M 43 1808 Clothier Assistant Reading, Berkshire
GILES, Elenor Wife Married F 31 1820 London, Middlesex
GILES, John Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Barrister Clerk Shoreditch, Middlesex
GILES, Henry Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Errand Boy Shoreditch, Middlesex
GILES, William Son Unmarried M 12 1839 Errand Boy Shoreditch, Middlesex
GILES, Robert Abbott Son Unmarried M 9 1842 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex
GILES, Elizabeth E Daughter Unmarried F 7 1844 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex
GILES, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 4 1847 Shoreditch, Middlesex
GILES, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 0 (10 MOS) 1851 St Lukes, Middlesex
SEARLES, William Robt Unmarried M 24 1827 Canvasser Public Company Lambeth, Surrey
FROST, George Unmarried M 19 1832 Assistant Eating House Shoreditch, Middlesex

Piece: 1521 Folio: 352 Page: 26
Registration District: Saint Luke
Civil Parish: Saint Luke
Municipal Borough: Finsbury

Address: 16, Norman Street, Saint Luke, Finsbury County: Middlesex

safc

safc Report 8 Jul 2013 10:04

????

Name: John Gray Giles
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 02 Nov 1817
Christening Place: STANFORD IN THE VALE,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Maria Giles
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02213-3
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1041799
Reference ID:

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Jul 2013 09:59

1841:

GILES, John M 30 1811 - a clothier
GILES, Ellen F 20 1821 Middlesex
GILES, John M 9 1832 Middlesex
GILES, Henry M 5 1836 Middlesex
GILES, William M 3 1838 Middlesex
GILES, Frederic M 1 1840 Middlesex
ASH, Ann F 70 1771 Middlesex
MERTANY, Elizabeth F 20 1821 Middlesex

Piece: 709 Book/Folio: 4/42 Page: 5
Registration District: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets

Address: Shoreditch, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

His occupation on here matches John jnr's baptism and Ann Ash must be his former mother in law.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Jul 2013 09:53

Is this the baptism of John born 1833?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: John Giles
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Feb 1833 - born 26 Jan
Father's Name: John Giles - clothes dealer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Giles
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Vivienne

Vivienne Report 8 Jul 2013 09:19

wow, thanks. Lot more than I could find. It helps when you know where and how to look. I will try to follow up with this info. Thanks for your help and if you come across any more info, it will be greatly appreciated.
One question: 1871 Census = GILES, John Son M 15 1856 Middlesex Shoreditch Book binder. Am I to assume that GGG grandfather John had another son and named him John as well? As my GG grandfather was John Giles b 1833.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 8 Jul 2013 04:05

There is a baptism for a John Giles in Reading:

Name: John Giles
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 24 Jun 1807
Christening Place: SAINT GILES,READING,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Giles
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Anne
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01764-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 88342
Reference ID:

Parents John and Anne have other children baptised at Reading, including a daughter named Mary Ann, who could be the aunt that John and Eleanor's daughter Eliza was staying with in the1861 census I posted above:

Name: Mary Ann Giles
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 19 Mar 1806
Christening Place: SAINT GILES,READING,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Giles
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01764-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 88342

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 8 Jul 2013 04:03

I can't find John and Eleanor in 1861:

Daughter Eliza is in Reading with her aunt and uncle:

Name: Eliza Giles<<<<<<
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Niece<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnel Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Reading St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Dodge 72 c1789 Bridport, Devon, England
Mary A Dodge 55 c1806 Reading, Berkshire, England
Eliza Giles 11 c1850 Bethnel Green, Middlesex, England

Marriages Jun 1855
DODGE Joseph Reading 2c 577
GILES Mary Ann Reading 2c 577

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 8 Jul 2013 03:12

Census 1891 Living with widowed daur in law (Robert's wife?):

Address: 13, Loanda Street, Shoreditch, London County: London

GILES, John G Head Widower M 85 1806 Endorser Station Reading, Berkshire
GILES, Elizabeth A Daughter In Law Widow F 47 1844 House Keeper Domestic Shoreditch, London

Son Robert's death seems to have been recorded as Robert Albert rather than Abbott:

Deaths Sep 1886 Giles Robert Albert 44 Shoreditch 1c 116

Seems to have been registered as Robert Albert at birth as well:

Births Dec 1841 Giles Robert Albert Shoreditch 2 403

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 8 Jul 2013 03:10

Census 1881 Living with son Robert:

Address: 11, Livermere Rd, Shoreditch County: London, Middlesex

GILES, Robert A Head Married M 39 1842 Vellum Binder Shoreditch, Middlesex
GILES, Elizabeth A Wife Married F 37 1844 Shoreditch, Middlesex
GILES, John G Father Married M 73 1808 Vellum Endorser (B?b)
Reading, Berkshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 8 Jul 2013 03:09

Census 1871:

Address: Nelson St, Bethnal Green County: London, Middlesex

GILES, John Head M 63 1808 Berkshire Reading
GILES, Mary A Daughter F 23 1848 Middlesex Shoreditch Envelope folder
GILES, John Son M 15 1856 Middlesex Shoreditch Book binder

Can't make out John's occupation or marital status.

Vivienne

Vivienne Report 8 Jul 2013 01:10

Searching for any information/family of the above. John Giles b. c1808 in Reading, Berkshire, married Elizabeth Ash in 1834. They had a child John Giles b.1833 in Shoreditich. Elizabeth died in 1836 and John remarried to Eleanor (Elester)Lines in Oct 1836. They had 6 more children, Henry, William, Robert Abbott, Elizabeth E, Mary Ann and Eliza Giles. I have been unsuccessful in tracing any history/connections to my GG Grandfather other than the Census records to 1851.