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Piper/?Eales marriage
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Bloomhills | Report | 5 Jul 2013 19:06 |
My great-grandfather, John Piper, (born Marlborough, Wilts in 1818 and the son of a master plumber) married a woman called Mary Eales/Eeles/Ellis c. 1848-51. Mary was born in Limerick, Ireland in 1827. She was aged 24 in the 1851 census, when they were in St Giles, London, where they feature with their eldest child, Alice. There are many John Pipers, but I cannot find the marriage of the one I want, this one. They had a second child here, Charles Frederick Leon and then went to France, possibly Paris, where, I surmise, Mary probably died at the birth of their second son, Emile. John Piper subsequently remarried and had more children in Lyons, France. But it's that first marriage I would like to find. |
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Rambling | Report | 5 Jul 2013 19:09 |
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Rambling | Report | 5 Jul 2013 19:17 |
Strangely this baptism shows residence as Lyons |
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MarieCeleste | Report | 5 Jul 2013 20:17 |
Hello Bloomhills, welcome to the boards by the way! |
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MarieCeleste | Report | 5 Jul 2013 20:21 |
I'm not sure that the 1852 marriage posted is correct. The John Piper on that marriage is a servant and both he and his bride give Croydon as their residence. |
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Bloomhills | Report | 5 Jul 2013 20:35 |
Sorry I put Charles Frederick when it was Cuthbert. His younger brother was Emile Fleuri Frederick. I get the feeling that Mary would have liked to have been Maria, but probably wasn't. John took Alice back to Marlborough to be baptised, but the marriage mentioned by Rambling Rose is not, I think, theirs. John's father was not John and his occupation is given as brewer, I think, which he wasn't. He was a master plumber. Also they had Alice in late 1850/early 1851 and had no reason not to have been married before she was born and that marriage is dated 1852. I know illegitimacy was rife (well, it certainly was in my family!) but I think Alice was born in wedlock. |
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Bloomhills | Report | 5 Jul 2013 21:06 |
The 1851 is them. The children clinch it. No one could have an Alice and a Charles Cuthbert Leon and I know those 2 are correct. It's the marriage that has escaped me for many years. The rest of the children were born in Lyons and some, not all, were registered with the Consulate there. Mary/Maria's death I can't find, but John P married Sarah Twentyman in 1863 and had 4 more children with her, including my grand-father Maurice Cuthbert Piper. |